Lessons - The Psychology Behind Tennis Champions | Rick Macci - Williams Sisters Tennis Coach

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excellence and understand how managing high pressure relationships fuels long-term success that mindset that hunger that can be a blessing but I would I would assume that if it's not channeled in the right way that could also destroy your career because you're going to injure something hurt yourself blow something up if you don't channel that energy and aggression in the right way you have this art of taking that that passion and that and that aggression and putting it towards something useful but I see a lot of athletes burn out and and pull this and break that because they are so into it but then they don't know when to stop and they don't know when to take time off and they don't know when to recover so there's an art to this too it's not just all in and never take your foot off the gas no you're absolutely right there this a nursing art to this you know when to say it how to say it why to say it but once again one of the staples of what I do I make it fun but serious you know in their kids first and tennis player second you know there's an art of probing and how to say it it depending on the age and whether I'm talking to an eight-year-old who's the best in the world or someone 23 30 in the world on the WTA tour it's a very different dynamic the art of coaching you just all read a book and you figure this stuff out you know and the best compliment or one of the best complies ever got in my life was at the after party after the red carpet with Venus and Shrina and they both said Rick we were literally brainwashed to become number one the positivity I put around that okay everybody I should be in the hall of video for just putting up with Richard Jesus what was that all about you know but no I got it because I was there for Venus and Shrina but they said that you know it was always about the future it was always about well hangus is going to get that nabber trovo to get that wrap is going to get that hapriotti would get that I'm talking to 11-year-olds now you got to have the thoroughbred to maybe win the derby but you got to have the thoroughbred that's mentally strong and the belief that was put in to then you got all these boxes big strong fast quick pretty high-level technique great surers so you get this package and greatness is a package but like Shrina she would get mad a lot but then she got more determined mac and row is kind of like that most some people get mad and they disappear they show their cards they're opponent they can't regroup you even see that on the tour you know breaking points okay and I don't clone people it's not like the same person everybody I teach everybody a little different and I know how far it can go because I want someone with a backbone I want someone with passion I want someone with anger but like you said you got to control it because sometimes you just don't want to work harder you got to work smarter amazing and then I'm just very curious managing the dynamic because I mean everybody has actually now seen the movie seen you know the dynamic between Richard and yourself and the girls as a coach how do you manage a dynamic of somebody like Richard who is obviously you're all focused on the girl's success that's the end goal but two very different personalities and I know there was even a sort of like a break up point where there was a letter written and I don't want to spend because everyone has seen the story I you know judging by you recounting a lot of it was quite accurate I don't want to spend too much time on what people already know but just from your perspective how do you manage these really high tension relationships when everyone's a high performing individual well no one no one has been around the block in this area in the whole world than myself Stefano Capriotti Jim Pierce Yuri Sherpova you know and Richard Williams you know you got to understand there it's you see daddy's little girl doesn't happen a lot with the boys like Roddy's parents weren't even involved you carry your own water this is his thing it's a different dynamic you know the boys but I think the first thing is you got to know when to keep your mouth shut some of the best coaching is not saying anything you know and feeling the temperature I'm very good at reading people when to say this or when not to where if you're so set in your ways this thing would have blown up in a week and I knew it was going to be a challenge because even though Richard was setting his ways it wasn't really a tennis coach unreal father one of the best ever I mean the girls brought their books to the court every day and if it rained he said go up in Rick's office and study and every single night good bad happy sad the girls are giving me a hug and say Rick thank you very much listen that's a world class dad and mom so you know it was a little different dynamic but and that's why I had so much respect for him even though he might say some off the wall things and there's a lot of controversy I made him legendary before they even did anything a lot of media I mean it was out of control but I think no one wanted to keep your mouth shut and I was there because I just love the girls I was on a mission I was rolling the dice it's one thing people can love something if you're getting paid for yeah I was just like you know I was all in well it was the office it was you invest the office it's okay to say hey I think you're good it's one thing to put out hundreds of thousands or a million dollars and you know go for the gusto I could have been wrong you know so at the end of the day I think just knowing when to take a deep breath you don't react you know to anything and when Richard wasn't there that's what I would go in technically and do some reconstructive surgery you know because at the end of the day they're going home eating bitter and you're not there at the table so I take any coach I hear that you know you got to know how to handle this and not be set in your ways and listen because of the petter griegaud and everything I've done eventually some of the pairs that he started telling me what to do out of hit a four and I'm going whoa wait wait I wrote their curriculum for the USPTA it's like I don't get into that I just try to get better and my favorite student is really who's on the other side of the net that hour or that minute that second I've always felt that way and so I'm all about the players I don't get into the other stuff but it takes a strong line to be able to think like I think and handle in the parents like that well I would say like I think that you know just listening to how you manage all these relationships and you practice what you preach so not only not only you know it's one thing for the person performing to have the mindset and the billion dollar mind right but all the people that that person surrounds themselves with also have to have that billion dollar high performance mind because if not then the support and the guidance that they're getting is not going to be of quality like if you got emotional doesn't matter if you found a way to work with somebody who could be the next Michael Jordan or two of them right it only matters if you can properly serve them as a coach and to do that you got to be like you know eating your own dog food so to speak or else you're not going to be able to do it that's very good I love it um I just want to take a second and thank cornbread ham for supporting today's episode now cornbread ham CBD gummies have been this really nice addition to my wellness toolkit I don't use them every day just when I want to win wine after those extra busy weeks but they're perfect for those moments when you want to take the edge off and just find your balance really just shut off from work and what makes them special is how cornbread ham crafts them they only use a flower of USDA organic amplants that's the best part for the purest most potent experience no fillers no artificial fluff just clean full 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bit more of the link between like mindset and performance to some of the things that you speak about in the book yeah well no first off not really I don't I never look in the review mirror I never look back I'm trying to get better if you're not getting better you're getting worse but regarding that situation it's it was a little complex because when it ended you know Venus got you know the 12 million dollar contract from Reebok okay and no one helped put more zero is behind that deal then Rick Macy you know what I mean the helium in the balloon and besides she played that tournament and shown he played that tournament no clen because they changed the age eligibility rule or we wouldn't even play that tournament we kind of had to to beat the system to get in there so she wouldn't have someone dictating and Richard agreed you didn't want to buy dictate to him so when she made that debut I didn't know what was going to happen I would know they see this tall long girl that ran like the wind okay and they'd say she has enormous potential and the fact she drops Sean Stafford 57 in the world and almost beat number one who she hadn't played a match in three and a half years junior or anything people go whoa whoa this kid's going to be amazing and our little sister what Rick says might he'd be better so you got that as the backdrop eight months later 12 million dollars we had an agreement but it didn't kind of go the way it should but Richard offered me $1 million a year for the next five years a million a year for five years to be exclusively with the girls when I have to give up my business and that kind of was like whoa because when you do something for you know four years and it's a crapshoot okay and there's a lot of things from the past okay and then the goal post kind of change even though there was a new opportunity okay I just felt like whoa you got to understand when I say four years six hours a day or whatever five days a week four hours on Saturday they were like my own daughter you got to understand it doesn't sound like a lot but every day there was like this was up and down or whatever and you know Richard felt you read the letter as you acknowledged so should I do that deal uh no I never look back you know I don't I just reload and then after that obviously at a big hand with you know mosquito share polva and cannon and many many other people and I run a business you know and it's a great model so really at the end of the day no regrets that's kind of how it ended but what's interesting how everything is come full circle and you know hundreds of millions of people I'd had no really what I did where before it might have been from Compton the center court you know and all all Richard you know what I mean great and you know as a coach it there's also so much a win in the hitting partner like one doe boxing ballet you have no idea what went into this because I believe so yeah no regrets and here we are today and everybody's like uh we've reunited it we see it and Shrine and I might even doing this docu series of phenom maker so stay true I love it thanks for tuning in if you found this valuable don't forget to hit that subscribe button so you never miss an episode and if you want to dive deeper into this conversation check out the links in the description to watch the full episode see you in the next one you