Jay Campbell - Health Optimization Expert | Optimize Your Health with Therapeutic Peptides

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Eight weeks later, I started being able to run down. I had like the levels of a geriatric. 29 years old, about to turn 30 and I had the testosterone levels of like 82. Some people accept life as it is. Jay Campbell rewrites the rules. The oldest of nine siblings, Jay's journey took him through five high schools, four states and college basketball. But a freak injury at 29 changed everything. It led him to therapeutic test testosterone, sparking a decades-long mission in biohacking, hormonal optimization and human performance. Money is not in the cure. The money is in the medicine. They need people continually hooked on allopathic medications as they get older so that they can continue to make money. 50% of men in the United States right now under the age of 25 have a testosterone deficiency. The problem is most of these people have no idea. Reason is very simple. It's the environment. We live in a contaminated world. Before the world caught on, Jay was living it, writing the TRT manual and the top Bible. Now the go-to guys on the subject. Today, after spiritual awakenings in Peru, his mission is bigger, helping people optimize not just their bodies, but their minds and souls. Let's get into it. I always tell people start low, go slow, maintain the minimum effective dosage principle, because that is going to allow you to live the longest and strongest without any kind of risk to your own term health. If people understood what a myocardial infarction or heart attack would cost them, they would never not spend money on their health, because one heart attack in 40, the average person would cost them $400,000. People don't understand this, dude, but this is the system that we're in. Welcome to Success Story. I'm your host, Scott Clary. The Success Story podcast is part of the HubSpot podcast network. HubSpot not only supports this show, but they support entrepreneurs. That's why it's such a huge fan of HubSpot. And I'm very grateful for HubSpot for supporting the show, because they help entrepreneurs. And as a fellow entrepreneur, I know it takes a lot to grow your business, a lot of audience attracting, a lot of sales, a lot of marketing, a lot of leads for it, a lot of channel management, a lot of content, a lot of long days, late nights, a lot of weekends, a lot of wishing there wasn't easier way. But there is. With Breeze, this is HubSpot's new collection of AI tools. It's easier than ever for marketers, for entrepreneurs, to attract audiences, to increase leads, to score customers, and to close deals fast, which means pretty soon, your company will have a lot to celebrate. Visit HubSpot.com, slash marketers, to learn more. Let's just start with your journey in health and wellness. Ties it up perfect. So talk to me about your origin story in health and wellness, where you came from. I know you were competitive bodybuilder, physique champ, obviously you care about health and wellness a lot. Where this sort of, this fire for this come from. So basically, just how do you do that? You know, you know, so basically just a hundred thousand foot summary, oldest and nine children played high school sports, was very competitive, played basketball in college at an NEIA, which actually became division two before I left. Georgia Southwestern University in America's Georgia, very, very competitive player. Got offered to play professionally when I got out of school overseas in Austria. Spend a couple of months playing, and then my ankles were really bad from playing for so long. And so I was just like, I'm done. I came back to America. Me and my best friend moved out. I was living on the East Coast. We moved out to Southern California. And in the seven or eight years that I was living in Southern California, I got back to playing competitive basketball. And at 29 years old, I was living with my fiance, at Pasadena, California. I got kicked in the testicles, playing an adult men's basketball league. And six, eight weeks later, I started being run down broken. Like, what's going on? All of me low back issues and pain. I was working for the Los Angeles Times of that time as an ad sales guy. And I happened to just go to my PPO doctor. And he recommended me, I mean, again, as I like to say, there's never a coincidence, there's only synchronicities. But he recommended me to an endocrinologist who ended up happening to be where I was living in Pasadena, a world renowned Harvard trained guy by the name of Dr. Raymond Scroggs. Anyway, he saw me and he was like, this isn't right, I'm going to measure your testosterone levels. And he did. And it came back and I had like the levels of a geriatric dude. I mean, I was 29 years old about to turn 30 and I had the testosterone levels of like an 82-year-old. It was like something back, and back then testosterone rate was damaged there. It could have been damaged from the kick. It could have just been environmental. I mean, there's a lot of things that we could, you know, hypothesize what caused it. But at the end of the day, he was like, look, I can put you on a course of therapeutic testosterone and have your writers reign in eight to ten weeks. But before you decide, yes or no, go home, talk to your fiance, wife to be, you know, get her approval and everything. And let's see what happens. And so, of course, I did. And, you know, my ex-wife shot out to Kelly, who's long gone now. She was like, you're a smart guy. You know, we don't have kids or anything. And, you know, we're good where we are financially in the world. Let's just see what happens. So anyway, I did, dude. And my life completely shifted. Like, in eight weeks, I went from having zero pain in my low back to just having super energy, massive vigor, my brain speed, or clock speed seemed to improve. So I went back to see him. He was like, okay, well, you know, we can take you off now and put you on HCG or whatever. And I was like, whoa, bro, I'm not coming off this. Like, this is life altering for me. Like, I'm going to become a student of this. I'm going to learn about this. So, to fast forward the story, over the next 10 years, I just read everything as I could read about it, voraciously. But back then, this is a 1999-2000. There was not a lot of information. The only books were Nelson Virgo, built the survive, and Michael Mooney, I have these inverted testosterone, a man's guide, and both of those guys have HIV. And so they were writing about using therapeutic testosterone, growth hormone, other anabolic steroids to survive. Because at that time, HIV, a lot of them were invented. Like, a lot of anabolic steroids, they're invented for people that were wasting away. Exactly, wasting disease. Yeah, correct. And so, at that time, besides those guys' books, there was a lot of studies in Russian and Bulgarian, because the Russians had been using hormones on their athletes because it wasn't a band. Exactly. And study it. Even in the state, it wasn't band. So it wasn't until the anabolic, whatever was called substance abuse act for Ben Johnson using steroids in the Olympics, which I think was in 1992, when they banned steroids and made them control three substances in the United States. So, you know, 70s and 80s in the underground bodybuilding culture, like the Arnold Schwarzenegger days, Franco-Colomba and those guys, those guys could legally procure them. But then they outwalled them. And so it just became this very weird, navigable space, where it was like, technically, a doctor could write you a script for testosterone, which is what I had, but people would still look at you weird. So, to fast forward, what happened over the next 10 years, I became this, like, just this, I would just say, super ambitious student of it. And I obviously had a really amazing physique. And so what I would meet people, you know, in my social peer networks and stuff, they would either say, they would ask me, how do I look so good? And I would literally tell them right to the face, I used to their peak testosterone. And I would be met with either like, steroids or, wow, that's fascinating, tell me more. So eventually, the fascinating, tell me more people kind of went out and they were like, bro, you got to write a book about this. Like, you know, more about this than any doctor, like, you got to put this information forward. So at that time, my wife and I had a residential real estate company. I was living in Southern California. I was what, 40, 41 at the time. And I was kind of like apprehensive, because I knew it was still looked at as like, an underground thing. And the RT was not a thing. No, it wasn't. It was absolutely not a thing. But you could get like I did and men did that, you know, through, um, I don't know if you remember the guy, Dr. Jeffrey life. He was the old guy with abs. They used to put in all the newspapers right back. I don't remember him. I mean, probably before my time. Well, so, so it's so if you, if you read the newspapers, like 15, 20 years ago, they always had a picture of him on every major newspaper. I would say, you know, it was like a picture of an old man with raps. And it would always be like Dr. Life. And it would be the anti-aging institute and the life extension foundation. And so those guys, those were the people that were like promoting this. And again, for me, I just happened to meet a doctor who prescribed me testosterone because he was a master of using it and stuff. But anyway, fast forward to what I'm 41 now. I sent an email to Rick Collins, who's now a very close personal friend of mine who happened to be like one of the world's leading attorneys on performance enhancement. He worked for like the WWF and EWWE and major league baseball NFL football ball one. And I asked him, I said, look, what would happen if a non medically trained person wrote a book on using therapeutic testosterone? And amazingly, because the guy's amazing, he literally, I was a nobody. And he wrote me back right away. And he said, well, I would first have to see what you wrote, you know, before I could give you an answer, but there would be risk, you know, when he gave me the reason. So I sent him my white paper because I had a white paper about it. And he came right back to me again and said, wow, this is amazing. He's like, but again, here's the risk. And so he told me with the risk. So I backed off because my wife and I were doing really well in real estate. And I didn't want to have any kind of unnecessary, you know, eyes on me. But I also sent it to Nelson Bergel who wrote to testosterone a man's guide and a couple of other leading people. And three or four months later, I showed down, you know, mentally, I got an email from Nelson in the middle of the night. And he was like, I don't know who you are, but this is amazing. And you need to write this book. And so that I wrote him back. And I said, look, I'm not going to do it now because Rick Collins, and he's like, oh, F Rick Collins, Rex, a friend of mine too. He's just being an attorney. He's been, yes, exactly. He's like, I know he's like, I'm on FDA panels. He's like, this information needs to get out into the world. I'm glad to help you. You're obviously very smart. You understand this from a scientific level. Let's do this. So anyway, as I always say, standing on the shoulders of giants, shout out to Nelson Bergel, he helped me write the book. My first book came out in 2015. It should have come out in 2014, but we spent more time developing it, getting more authority from doctors who submitted and helped me write stuff and make it more authoritative. And so it came out in November of 2015. And at that point, it blew up. In fact, there's a lot of people because it was Amazon. It was when books on Amazon were blowing up. And so one year later, Jeff Bezos went from this scrawny guide to the beach. So a lot of people were like, oh, he read your book because your book's the number one book on Amazon. So it's kind of funny. We always made a joke about that. But from that moment forward, I'd say 2016, 2017, I started meeting people. I went to doctors conferences. I started lecturing. I wrote, you know, five or six other books. Just like leaned in the human optimism. Completely leaned into it. I mean, I was always doing underground, but I was just a corporate wage-flage guy, right? So I wasn't like doing this, but I started making the rounds. Our real estate business afforded us the luxury to travel and to go to these things and stuff like that. And then, you know, I met the right people, wrote the right amount of books. And here we are today. What's interesting is that, like, on all these, because now a lot of these substances, before TRT was popular, now there's so many studies showing that, like, listen, as you age, testosterone goes down and to live a healthy life. We're not talking about using a dose. It turns you into a bodybuilder. But just to live a healthy life, it's good to maintain it. Now, TRT has like lost its caboo, right? The longest time, hey, listen, I think you were in the health of fitness before I was even in the health of fitness. But all the research and the support and the experience, it was all, none of it was like a peer review. None of it was from doctors. There's a couple of doctors that studied it. Then they studied bodybuilding and nutrition and drugs. But it was kind of like, you know, in these forums, in the darkest places of the internet, where you had to learn about this stuff. And I felt like, I felt like I still feel this. I feel like doctors, they have, they do have your interest in mind, but they don't go outside of their training. They try and help you live your best life. And it's not just about testosterone. It's about, it's about peptides. It's about nutrition. It's about literally everything. It's all, what is it? They call it like sick care and not healthcare, right? Yeah. So I think that this now we're in an age, hopefully, where medical professionals are going to focus on not just sick care, but optimization. That's a higher percent. That's what it has. Life, you know, feel alive, feel cognitively present. Like you mentioned, you think quicker, you look better, you can play with your kids, you know, you're not, you're not dying at 60-70, right? You still have a good sex drive as a man. And I'm sure there's a whole bunch of other things you have to optimize as a woman too. Like, this is what doctors should be focused on. Helping people live their best life and be healthy because I actually do believe that if you optimize properly, then a lot of the disease and a lot of the things are natural put in air quotes part of aging. I don't think they affect you as much or as early. It's 100% true. We could kind of just like put the dichotomy or just the line of the bifurcation is people either choose their, you know, sick care doctor, which is their, you know, the PPO doctor or the HMO doctor, depending on their business. And then their mind is like, this is my co-payment and this is my medical treatment. Or you can be like, what I teach, which is like, if you can't afford to spend $5 to $10,000 on your personal health over here, you have your priorities out of whack. Because even a $40 to $50,000 a year, you know, blue collar earner can come up with that money. It's just they have to like, again, allocate resources effectively, you know, not waste money on beer and lattes and all these things that they throw away. But so that's kind of what I teach. And so it's 100% true. But going back to medicine, you know, I always like to say what Chris Rock said, the money is not in the cure. The money is in the medicine. They need people continually hooked on alipathy medications as they get older so that they can continue to make money. I mean, if you look at the industry as it is today, it's insane. But like the average boomer runs out of money at 66 to 68, then faces medical bankruptcy and then dies within the next 12 months to two years because they don't have the money to take the pills that they've been on for 15 years through their insurance. So it's a nightmare, but you know, obviously we are talking about here today like how you don't have to be connected to that system and how you can live again what I call sovereign empowered free life where you are in control of your personal health. So when you think about optimization, so look, the first stab at optimization from men in particular would be testosterone. So I was, how is human optimization sort of evolved? I mean, it's a great question. I mean, you know, going back to when I was first on testosterone, like you said, it was a taboo thing. You didn't talk to people about it. TRT was not recommended. It wasn't, you know, technically even understood to be legal. Whereas now, I mean, there's a clinic on every corner in every major city. But here's the problem, Scott. The problem is, is that it's become a money ground. And a lot of the TRT clinics, I call them windmill clinics, are not about the patient's health, they're about making money. And it's become more like medicine. So unfortunately, you have a lot of men. Women do just as well on therapeutic hormones, who are not getting the treatment that they ultimately would like to have because it's based on making money, you know, collecting, if it's possible, it's rarely, if they're really smart, they can't collect insurance. But it's really about like finding and following the algorithm to make money, you know, to scale that business or that brand versus personalized care and concern for that individual patient. So what is that? Okay, so, I mean, capitalism exists and people are always trying to make money. So just like to stick on that sort of first version of optimizations. I think that's still a topic people really care about and I'm trying to figure out and navigate. So, I mean, you probably know the gamut of different hormones and different things that are not peptides. So in terms of testosterone, what is, I mean, can you make recommendations because you're not a, like, how do you say, like, okay, so I, because I don't want to get you into, yeah, no, no, no, I do. I mean, so I mean, I have like, I want to understand to say like, I'm a man. I'm, you know, I'm 40, 45, 50. What should I be looking for? What are the, or when do I start? Really? Yeah, so I mean, honestly, dude, like, this is how bad the environment is. At 20, you need to take your blood, get your blood work. Kids 18 to 19 to 20 have no testosterone. Why? That says the environment is completely contaminated. From the blue light to playing video games, to the contaminated environment, air, water, food, everything is contaminated. There's phytoestrogens, xenoestrogens, endocrine-destroping chemicals. They're everywhere. They've leached out into the bloodstream, I mean, into the water supply. They're in our blood. I mean, it's so difficult to navigate and maneuver in modern day, in modern day, first world society, that you can't avoid all of these harmful contaminants. So, so 20 year old, dude, test them, that one is the Julian King, when I'm telling you this, I would say that 50% of men in the United States, right now, under the age of 25, have a testosterone deficiency. 50%. You get into 35 to 40, and you're now in 60 to 65%. And as soon as you get into 45 and 50, and older, you're at 75% in the population. The problem is most of these people have no idea, because if they don't know somebody like you or me, or they're not connected to people that actually teach them to get their labs done, and their blood work and biomarkers measured, they have no earthly idea. But I mean, again, look around in society. You have so many low testosterone, anthropomorphically like caring, feminized bodies, and body fat levels. I mean, again, body fat obesity is through the roof, inflammation is through the roof. And all of this really stems from a lack of proper hormones. And again, the reason is very simple. It's the environment that we live in a contaminated world. I thought, I don't disagree with you. I think that people are, their health is not good. The average person is not in shape. And I know you see those pictures of 20 year olds, like 50 years ago, and everybody's like, listen, they're not bodybuild, but they're all fit as hell. And I thought it was a mixture of like bad food. That's part of it. It's, but I didn't think I've never heard somebody say that a 20 year old will still have low testosterone in 2025. Dude, it's unbelievable. I mean, if you talk to doctors or actually specialists in this field right now, they'll tell you that every single day, they have, you know what you don't know, I mean, doctors, the average GP will look at a low testosterone level and say you're fine. Oh, you're fine. No problem. Yep, send you home. And remember, to their credit, they don't have any schooling. There is no standard of patient care that they learned in medical school about hormone optimization. Because again, why would alopathic medicine want people to not be on meds instead of hormones? Because if they optimize their hormones, they're not going to be on SSRIs. You're not going to be on all these other things that they take that they make money off of. So it's real simple to understand it. So for a 20 year old, going back to even earlier than I thought, for a 20 year old, all right, what's the signal that your hormones aren't optimized? Is it like sex drive? Is it depression? Is it? All is it? It's mostly cognitive. So it's a great question to some people and really understand this. So the first line of symptomology when you have a deficiency in both men and women is cognitive decline. Depression cubs next. A lack of, you know, a lack of energy, a lack of drive to do anything. I mean, again, look at kids today. They're not active. They sit around and they play video games. Video games and porn, if I put two things, are rewiring dopaminergic signaling pathways? I believe that. Yeah, right. Because pleasure reward is simple. You don't have to earn pleasure by courting a woman or courting your boyfriend or your girlfriend or whatever it is in society. So it just becomes simple to jerk off three or four times a day. You got addicted to it. Exactly. Or to play video games and to have all of your life being lived through the cloud. You know, so that's rewiring brain. So that that bottoms testosterone immediately. So like when most doctors, you know, friends of mine and stuff that I talk to about talk about seeing young people come in. And a lot of times they're parents from bringing them in. They're like, look, we need to get your their labs done because they have no motivation. They don't listen to us. It won't date. It won't play sports. They don't go out of law. And so once they evaluate these people's biomarkers, they see a testosterone, a free testosterone level. It's like at the floor. What's at floor? Like 100, 200? Well, so, so tell me again, there's various labs of measure. But like if we're looking at lab core per quest, which are the two biggest ones in the United States, yeah, you're looking at like less than 100. You're looking at people with total testosterone between 60 and 90 and free testosterone. It's like two is that's insane. Is there? So like all the traditional advice about how to increase testosterone. So clean up your diet. Be more active. Lift more. Obviously, I mean, you're not watching porn, you know, three, four times a day. You're not playing video games non-stop. Out the things that impact testosterone, you're talking about environmental, but also the actions that you take. So if you, if a, if a young guy, and I don't know, I don't know how to optimize women's hormones, they're just thinking about like my own experience. So a young guy lifts, you know, goes for a run, each healthy, isn't doing all the other shit that he shouldn't be doing. Can you sort of rehab your testosterone levels naturally to a degree or are environmental factors, the foods that we eat, the chemicals and everything that we consume, is it just too detrimental to really make it there? So great question. It comes down to your genetics. You know, if you do all the right things, if you live an insulin controlled life, if you train, if you eat enough protein, if you get six to eight hours of proper sleep a night, you do all the things to insulate yourself. It comes down to whether you're, it comes down to your genetics, whether you can be optimized. But I would tell you that it's probably, and I have a really smart doctor, a friend that talks about this and he quantifies the levels of guys. It's under 15% of men. At all age, we're actually starting you a soft pill back. It's almost impossible. Yeah, yeah. Okay, because then you say you bought into the idea of some sort of therapeutic dose of testosterone. So the two sort of bigger issues that people keep bringing up is one, you're going to be shut down for life. And the second thing is that it stops you from having kids because it acts as what's the word I'm thinking of. It acts as a contraceptive. Yeah, so is that is that true? It's not true. So if somebody wants to hold ends to this and they want to get testosterone. Yeah, yeah, so this is a great question. I'm glad you asked. No one's ever asked me this. So the truth is is that if you use therapeutic testosterone in your 20s or 30s during normal fertility times, you have to use what are called FSH and LH, which is follicle simulating hormone and luteinizing hormone, mimetics, which would just be other drugs to increase and make sure you have modal sperm. So you could absolutely use therapeutic testosterone along with those other drugs. And there's numerous ones. There's like five or six that you can use. Some of them are injectable. Some of them are oral tablets or capsules. But you could absolutely maintain fertility. So there's no like, you know, and again, as you said, like the taboo of this back in the day that this wasn't understood as well as it's understood now. But you can absolutely maintain fertility. And so I always tell guys like, you know, you have to choose because it will shut down your body's natural production. But as far as like how much will it shut down from a therapeutic level versus like, you know, super physiological levels that bodybuilders will take, it's nowhere close. In fact, most guys who've never done anything to restore luteinizing hormone or FSH and have been say on therapeutic testosterone for a decade can come off and in six months have the sperm restored. So it's a lot, there's a lot of misinformation, I would say online about like being shut down completely. But it's always a good idea and always tell people this that if you're going to go on therapeutic testosterone whether you're 23s or 40s, if you want to be ultimately sure, get a measured sperm count done first because it can freeze your sperm. Okay. In a worst case scenario that you can't maintain fertility because again, the environment is getting worse and worse and worse. We have the lowest birth rate right now. All these men and women are on fertility medications in their 30s and 40s because I can't get pregnant. Again, environmental factors. That's the first thing to do is to get a measured sperm count, get some sperm frozen. But again, for most men, they can use my preferred drugs are HCG, which is human-chorianic antitropin, and HMG, which is human-metaposalodontropin along with therapeutic testosterone. And you should be able to maintain fertility. What are the, and out of all the companies that offer this because I know like now the big ones are like the hymns of the world until like that. Yeah. What are the, what should you look for when you're looking to work with a company? It's a great question. You should not work with any of those companies. And this gets back to the AI. All those companies are not, they're not public, but a lot of them intend to go public. And so they're literally based on a, you know, a shareholder model. And so it's all based on an algorithm. So you're not going to get personalized one-on-one individual healthcare from a doctor. You're going to end up talking to an NP, which is a nurse practitioner or a PA, which is a physician's assistant. And so you're never going to get that feeling like all I'm talking to the doctor and the doctor gets me and he really feels cares about me, right? So you're just going to be, you're part of the machine. You're just literally in the machine. So what you want to look for is wherever you are in the United States, and the good news is is that you can work with pretty much anyone via telemedicine, right? Like I have an awesome clinic here in Miami called Men's MHI. And I love those guys. They have two doctors. There's two brothers that run your clinic. I send a lot of the people. I refer tons of people there to them. But the answer is that you're not going to be like just a cog in their machine. Exactly. Personalized. The answer is you want to make sure, as a man or woman, when you're going to get hormonally optimized it, you're working with a doctor that has the minimal of 10 years of experiential body of work. And what I mean by that is they've been optimizing male and female hormones for 10 years at a minimum. And there's plenty of them out there now. You don't want to go down to your local clinic on the, you know, on the, on the corner that is SE found at SEO ad that says we do everything for 199 a month. Because what those guys end up doing is they just value ad you to death. And before you know it, your, your bills, 999 a month, and you don't even know what you're paying for. They don't have any, they don't give a shit about your particular serpent said, literally just like, how do we do as many of these? Exactly. It's all cookie cutter board boil and plate templates. And the problem with those guys is, is, and this is what I always talk about, whenever you start their predictive testosterone or optimizing hormones, you really want to see what testosterone does in isolation. And those companies are adding this and this and this and this and this on top of your regimen. And so like in three months or in four weeks, how the hell are you going to know what's doing? What in your body? You can't tell. You have no way to know. So that's why all of these people who go down that path end up getting really effed up. And the best doctors will tell you that their primary job is on effing the people who go to these windmill clinics who get whacked out. So that's when it ends up happening with a lot of people in the United States. I told you at the beginning of the show that like hormone optimizations become a money grab. And so you have to really be cognizant of what you're looking for when you start with somebody. So if you, if you have researched this a little bit, you start to realize pretty quick that there's a whole bunch of different kinds of testosterone that you can use. What would be the one that you think people should be recommending in like the most generalized sense? And also what would be the, what would be the advice like if you get this advice, this is a red flag, but you should definitely not work with that clinic. Because that's also important. This is a great question. Let me unpack this. So there's so many forms of delivery now to testosterone. 80% of worthless. The tried and true that work and have been used for decades in both men and women are injectable number one primary. And again, dude, like people freak out of needles, a bonus question. You know what the, the, the word for a needle phobia is? What's over here called tyrannophobia? It's ridiculously. Yes, I'm actually right. Because you're like tyrannosaurus, right? Like, where does that come from? But that's, that's the biggest hurdle in obstacle in most men. It's not an obstacle in most women. They don't care. It's crazy, but men are afraid of needles. But testosterone now in oil, the estuars of testosterone, which the primary ones are either symphony or annotate in the United States now. Per P&A is available still, but it's fast acting. Most people don't get that. It's in like MCT oil or sesame oil. And it's so thin that it's easily able to go through like a 29 gauge or 28 gauge needle, which, as you know, is like an insulin needle, right? So previous to that, men would complain because they would have to use bigger needles and you would leave scar tissue, right? Inject here, up here, up here, you know, it quads, if you're really brave. But bottom line is now is like you can use really thin, small gauge needles to inject testosterone. It's not a big deal. But injectable is what you should be looking for because there's also stuff that you put topical. Yeah, so I'm gonna get you that. So injectables number one, okay? But to talk about it deeper, it's not a big deal now because obviously you can use small needles. But the next way is transdermal. And the best way to do transdermal for both men and women is actually for men at the base of the scrotum and for women, it's like at the head of the labial or the intervaginal area. Because the reason that is is the skin is highly permeable. In fact, the base of the scrotum and the head of the clitoris and the intervaginal area of the vagina is like eight times more permeable than anywhere else in the body. So when you place it there, it absorbs readily and instantly. So it's like bottom line and I used transdermal testosterone for five years when I moved to Mexico. I couldn't get it anymore. So since I've come back to the States, I just sat around and got transdermal. I'm gonna just back to injections. And again, because the needles are so small, it's not a big deal. It's not a big deal. The other one is a newer form. So if you got injectable, we've got transgroidal or intervaginal, whether you're male or female, and now the third one is a new company called Kaisatrix. And they have an oral form of testosterone, which literally is a quote unquote oral testosterone booster. And the type of testosterone is undecanella is what it's called. And honestly, which is laughable, the European world had a product in the old school bodybuilding days called Andrial. And Andrial was testosterone undecanella. And this is actually available through CERL, which is the pharmaceutical company, in the late 70s all the way through the 80s and then they just disbanded it for whatever reason. But for men, it never optimized them. It would like slightly boost them, but they can never feel like they feel when they're on, like is that because it doesn't get absorbed the same way? Yeah. So when it goes through the small intestine and goes through first pass through the liver, it's basically being deactivated in that area. So it's not absorbed as well. But these guys that created Kaisatrix, I forget the name of their company right now, but they're constantly messaging me and they want me to promote their company. They've done something to the carrier oil so that when it goes through first pass, it's being absorbed a lot better. And so you can actually move a person, say from 150 to 400 to 500 total, and you could probably take their free from about, you know, a super low level, somewhere between say five and 10 to 20. And so in most men, that's a big mover and a lot of people are starting to take it. And again, going back to like they don't want to inject, they don't want to put it on the balls. A lot of guys will say like, all if I get on my balls and get some underwear or my wife can't go down on me, I don't want to touch my kids or whatever, but it's not that big of a risk that people complain about that. So the oral version seemingly as they continue to perfect the actual delivery of it, because it's not perfect yet. And even the owners will tell you that because they want to be able to move the free testosterone levels the same as injectable does or they want a hair mass market. And exactly. I mean, they're out there now, but the problem they have is they're not moving free and total because the formulation is not perfect. But those are the free types. Everything else is bogus. There's patches, there's trokeys that they put like along that gum line, which is absolutely targeted, doesn't absorb well. There's one called nattesto that's an intranasal. It's actually patented by this guy down here at Miami. I forget his name, but he's been on my podcast, but causes nosebleeds. It's insane. So like there's other formats before I'm gonna talk about, but if you're in the market, whether you're male or female, those are your three delivery systems that are tried and true that will work. And I wouldn't even use the, I wouldn't use the chisetric check because it's not ready for prime time. If somebody's telling you different, don't work with them. So you're to answer the other question. The biggest red flag is when you go to the windmill clinic or you go to the testosterone center and they wanna put you on an AI. And an AI is an aromatase inhibitor medication, which blocks estrogen. Now, when you block estrogen, when you're giving a therapeutic dose of testosterone, you're actually blocking the effect of testosterone at the tissue level. It's insanity. But for some reason, and might be bodybuilding culture, we don't really know where it comes from, but at one point in time, they used to think we wanna hire testosterone and let low estrogen. It's the complete inverse. Whoa, man, let me see that. Exactly, but here's the thing that's so crazy. And this is like perverse through all of hormone optimization. They believe that you want to push free and total testosterone higher and then keep estrogen in this narrow confined range. And it's completely insane because the narrow confined range, the lower you push a man and a woman's estrogen, the more of negative effects they have, brain issues, vascular issues, bone mineral density issues. So it's completely insane. If we get back until like, why is this happening? The state medical licensing boards see this narrow range on blood markers, right? Like think of cluster lab corp. And I think it's like 21 estrogen to like, it might be 17 to 32 and then. And so doctors wanna keep their patients and that confined range. And when you do that, you whack them out, but for them, it's like, well, I don't want to get audited by the state medical licensing board and they see a guy's estrogen like 20 points outside of the range. And so they get freaked out about it. And so that's what's going on out there. And it's obviously mismanaging patient health because they're just trying to keep them in a range that has nothing to do with therapeutic testosterone. But it just saved their own ass. 100% it's CYA. You know, it's so tough out there to navigate this because he been mind like, what is the advice that you seek first of all? If you're not listening to these kinds of podcasts and you feel like shit, you go to your GP. And then you listen to a podcast and then you bring that information back to your GP and he's like, that's not correct. It's incorrect. And then you're just like, okay, so who do I listen to? There's a guy on the internet or your GP. But you have to think about, listen, you have to think about incentives. I think that when you understand incentives, I think that you start to, you know, break out of the matrix a little bit. And that's where you have to, that's where you have to think. Even when just a very simple thought exercise, when you're getting prescribed a drug by a particular doctor, like understand that there's a reason why they're prescribing that drug. So the financial reason why they're prescribing that drug. The back, yeah, I won't even go down that rabbit hole, but I mean, I just watched something on their day. I think the rule of thumb is, don't go to your GP for all known optimization. If you are depressed, if you are low energy, again, number one symptomology of hormone deficiency is this brain fog. If you have any of those things, do not. Because like you said, they will literally tell you you're fine. And in addition to telling you're fine, they will write you a script for an SSRI. I'll just take this blue pill. And then they'll give you a reptile dysfunction medication if you're not having sexual function. You know, if you can't get an erection. So it's just all drugs. It's all drugs. It's horrible, dude. And truthfully, and this is statistically proven through the studies now. And by the way, we left off statins, they'll give you a statin. If your cholesterol is over 200, right? Which is a farzalical lipitorial. Yeah, all those drugs. That those are horrible, too. But we now know the studies show that it further exacerbates hormone deficiencies because it pushes your testosterone and your freak testosterone lower. So now these guys are in a vicious cycle that they can't get out of. So yeah, so seek a, like I said, seek a doctor, Google them, do research on them that has a practice where they have been optimizing hormones for a long time. The best guys out there have been doing it for 25 years. You know, and you can find them. They're available. Not hard to find them in Google searches. We spoke a lot about like optimizing for men. What are some ideas around hormone optimization for women? Yeah. Same thing. So it's, dude, it's crazy. That's a whole women are the, they are basically a lost cause in hormone optimization because basically the women's health initiative, WHOI, which was 25 plus years ago now, was the study where they saw all these women get uterine cancer and ovarian cancer because they were giving them equine, premarion or whatever it was. I forget the drug for birth control and for hormone optimization, like postmenopausal and perimenopausal. And so all these people got these uterine cancers and stuff like that. So then at that point, they shut down hormone optimization for women because they thought it doesn't work. And so you have all these doctors that are like basically 60 and older out there, which there were still a ton of them practicing who tell their women that you can't be on hormones. And so dude, I'm telling you, it is so bad for women's. Most women today who are, again, let's just say 45 and up cannot find anybody who can optimize a hormone. So if that's the biggest email and question that I get, I mean, I get literally dozens a day between all coms of women desperate help. What can you do? Can you recommend a doctor to me? And there are some really good female optimization decisions out there, but the problem with women in those doctors' defense is they're very thinnicky. They're very biochemically unique and ultra-ly individual. And so it's harder to optimize a woman than it is a man. Like with a man, it's not boilerplate cookie cutter, but it's close to that. And we kind of understand what to do, but with women, it's a little bit different because they're very, very unique. And so you have to titrate their therapy sometimes up and down and spend more time with them. And so knowing what I've told you about how all these companies, the big ones are running things by templates. They don't help with it. It's even more damaging for women. Way worse for women. But they should still go on this journey. 100%. This is how crazy it is though. I always tell people this, there's no difference at all from a male and female physiology, other than the amount of testosterone they were exposed to in New York. As you know, you give a woman hormones, you make them into a man, right? So it's like all you have to do is a woman gets older, is you have to optimize their thyroid, you have to optimize their estrogen, you have to optimize their progesterone, you have to optimize their testosterone. With a man, optimize estrogen, optimize testosterone. Some men might need a little progesterone, but it's just a little bit more complicated to optimize a female. But dude, they need the same things. They just need less of it. So like if a man, for example, on injectable testosterone is getting 150 to 175 milligrams a week, which is most men, a woman is gonna get somewhere between five and 15 milligrams a week at testosterone. Whether it's injectable or transderval, it's the same thing. The problem is you have, you don't even have compound pharmacies making the formulation small enough for women. They're trying to like use men's formulations and then extrapolate like microdoses, which aren't even calculable, it's insane. That's tough. I mean, it's just, it's sad that there's not more support for women in this world. Because again, I can only imagine if people understand what a hormone optimized life feels like. Yes. It's kind of sad when you look back and you realize you haven't been living that life for how many years. I mean, I tell people this got a difference between not being on therapeutic testosterone in your 40s and 50s and being on it. Apparently even earlier. But I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean, most men and women, and again, obviously more or less there are less women becoming optimized than there are men, but they look at their life as preimposed optimization. The effects, the physiological effects, the mental effects, the mood altering effects, the energetic enhancement effects, there's so much greater when this is done versus previous life. But again, for the average guy out there, and thankfully, you're exposing this kind of information to the world and the public is finding out about this and it's happening more and more every day. But for the average guy out there who doesn't know, they don't know there's a solution. They just feel like they're life sucks. I say this all the time, like if you're obese and insulin, dysregulated insulin resistant, do you earn a default state of pain and suffering? You live in a state of pain and suffering. Most people who are like that don't know what it's like to live a life optimized. I mean, think about it. If you woke up every single day and you have a big belly and you're insulin resistant, you're having cytokine storms in your body at all times and that cytokine storms are literally causing you pain. What does that mean? A cytokine storm is basically just a massive inflammatory cascade in the body, right? So like if you got a bunch of this real belly fat, right? And you're like this, like again, most dudes. You're in pain. I mean, your dick doesn't work. Your sexual function is down. Again, those cytokine storms are creating that cascade down there where your penis cannot get optimal blood flow. You can't get nitric oxide expansion to the actual organ of the penis. So it's like all this stuff is leading to just this total default state of suffering and pain. And so that's why I always tell people like when you see people who are obese and again, insulin dysregulated highly inflamed, you know, have have sympathy, you know, respect for them because you have no idea what life is like for them. They don't know what it's like to feel good. We take it for granted, right? Like we don't wake up in pain every morning, but obese people are in pain and they're default. And they're still trying to go through life is still trying to do all the same shit. It's hard. Yeah, man. So outside of, but I know now a lot of your focuses on peptides, but outside of hormone optimization, what are some other things that people should be aware of that are not peptides and not hormones? Or are there other parts of hormone optimization outside of TRT? Yeah, I mean, there definitely is. I mean, I mean, again, so the first order of business in your early 20s, you know, and I would say probably under 25, if you're really advanced in your 20 or 21, I mean, anybody can do it. You can go on, you know, this kind of labs, private MD labs, like I have a deal with private MD labs up for different panels depending on your economic situation. And I always recommend when people ask me, like, hey, I need to see what's going on under the hood. You know, I say, go there and pick what you can afford. You know, the elite level is like the deepest dive under the hood and really understand it. And then from there, once you know what you're working with and a lot of guys, any of the women will push back and will like, yeah, but who's going to read my labs? I don't understand that, you know, and I'm like, it's not hard. You can go on Google or go on YouTube and do a simple search. And in five minutes, you're going to understand what you're looking for. I was betting off you uploaded to like chat GPT if you give you a read. Shit. Sasha, exactly. It'll be like, well, Jay Campbell says, yeah. But like it's, you're talking to get me going about AI. Sure with the talk about that, we can work that in. Yeah, so the, so the reality is is like, what can people do besides knowing what's going on under the hood, live insulin control? I always say, and this is a fact and all back up by the studies, the greatest way to live long and live strong is by being lean. The leaner you are, the less inflammation you have, the less potential for disease, right? Because disease, this ease comes from inflammation. And inflammation over time causes physical bodily degradation. And the degradation becomes cancer, type 2 diabetes, neurogeneral disease, I mean, you name it. It's all from inflammation. So the leaner you are, the more hormonally optimized you are going to be. Because again, remember, if you have all this fat, and the most men carry their fat right here, that's going to break up sexual function and cause your endocrine system to go into decline. Faster than it does just through natural means through a degraded society. So that's like the key is, remain lean, do cardio, lift weights. Obviously, hormonally optimized is going to give you more energy to do that. But there are other supplements which we could talk about, you know, that my company sells, that are myocondrial optimizing supplements that you can take without having to hormonally optimize that will give you a little bit of push too. But as we get deeper into peptides, I always tell people the first step is understanding whether or not you have a hormonal deficiency. Even before peptides. 100%, no one, in fact, that's a good segue. No one should consider or think that they're going to get amazing results with peptides if their hormonal machinery is deficient. Like if they're totally dysfunctional, dysregulated, and they start peptides, they're not going to get the same results as somebody who has optimal. I got you. So the hormon step one, okay. All right. So then, I mean, we can talk about, I don't even know what, we see mitochondria, like energy supplements is not like pre-workout. Let's just touch on that. Because that's interesting. And we go into peptides too. Because I've listened, I've tried every supplement under the sun when it comes to like working out a body building. But a lot of this stuff is just like pre-workout protein. Maybe there's some studies behind them. Oh, crazy. As I say, it's some study of concrete. That's pretty much it, right? Everything else is kind of garbage. Yeah. And I don't even know how effective it is. No, totally true. So the mitochondrial are, this is a good segue way. The mitochondrial are brand new and doable. So you've got, I mean, there's a lot of mitochondrial optimizing peptides, which are amazing. But there are now basically what are known as the class of drugs or, I mean, they're technically supplements because there's no FDA approval for these things and research companies like myself were making these because they're amazing, you know, and using with people. But there's a product that came out, it actually came out in the underground like four years ago, but it made its way into the mainstreaming last year. It's called SLU-PP-332. It's a small molecule, but it's got incredible research behind it. In fact, the University of Florida did this landmark study last two years ago. It came out in like December of 2023 that it's the most powerful exercise mimetic or what you would call exercise in a pill. Like, dude, it's insane. I've been using it now for a year. It increased not a peptide though. It's not a peptide, it's a small molecule, but it increases metabolic efficiency, burns fat, gives you more mTOR signaling so you can generate more force. I mean, it's insane. I mean, this is without question, I'm not hyping this up when I say this because I know there are thousands of people around the world, probably hundreds of thousands of people around the world using this now. This is the number one over the counter supplement ever. Like, if you seriously want to be somebody out there who doesn't want to use testosterone, isn't going to use peptides, afraid to inject or whatever, and you want to take a supplement that is absolutely going to move the needle. It would be SLU-PP gastroedery. Is this replacing like a pre-workout or is it used in conjunction? But if I would, I mean, look, most pre-workout's are worthless. I mean, I mean, they will amp you up from an energy standpoint, right? They'll make you hyper, they're loaded with caffeine or they're loaded with touring, or they're loaded with baiting, or, you know, there's somebody out there who can include in me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, all those things will increase a brain signal or dopamine signaling or increase the antigenergic expects, you know, elevate heart rate, give you more energy, but obviously using those over time is not good for you, right? So like the mitochondrial enhancing, and there's other ones, but just talking about SLU-PP right now, like if you take that morning and in the afternoon, you know, of the dose that we recommend and the doses that we're seeing in the studies, you will definitely have performance enhancement. As far as like what are the long-term effects, we have no idea. But the studies at Florida that's demonstrated that we're taking massive doses that nobody was using and there was no harmful effects. And of course, they're in rats, right? But like extrapolating to humans, and obviously I work with people in the performance enhancement segment who work with Olympic caliber rapids and professional athletes. And so it's been being used in the underground for four or five years. In fact, what I was told like three months ago was that it was the number one supplement at the Paris Olympics. So you saw some of those freaks that were like, you know, we say they're not the acrobats, but the gymnast, that little Filipino guy, did you see? Yeah, yeah. That dude is on a lot of SLU-PP-332. So you look at that, you know, you have a mental image of that. And you can see that those people are very similar to performance enhancement andabolic steroids and other peptides that would be added into that. So that would be your probably like, again, if you want to call it natural, that would be your greatest enhancer by going down the optimizing mitochondrial pathway before you would get into peptides, before you would get into bio-regulators. That's okay. So the other thing that I wanted to ask about, because obviously peptides are very popular, what about storms? So do storms have a place? Because I think they also fall under the not really tested, but people use them for performance enhancement as well. Do you consider them to be like light steroids? Do they have any utility? Are they just really not safe and just ignore them stick to peptides? They have absolutely zero utility. And here's why, they do create muscle, they do enhance metabolic firepower, they can burn fat, bro, they are so toxic to our endocrine system, they lower HDL, they increase small particles and platelets, they do so much damage to our cholesterol, hepatic function, liver function. I have spoken to so many doctors in the last five years who have told me that they have had 18 and 19 year old kids, because that's who we're using them. Young kids, because they say, salamone are they just steroids? They don't lack these steroids. Or they sell them over the counter in GNC's, like behind the counter under the table, you know, like, hey, take this. And they do work, but they cause such poor health to biomarkers. And again, like I said, I've talked to doctors who sent kids in, have had kids come in, they do their labs and they send them right to the LR, they send them right to emergency to pump their stomach, because they crush HDL, they crush hepatic function, they crush liver values. I mean, they're doing bad things. And when you compare them to just therapeutic testosterone, which doesn't do any of those things, it makes no sense. And then the other thing, and this is the laughable thing, of course, that we're in America, they're three times more expensive than therapeutic testosterone. So people are paying all this money to take storms and doing God knows what kind of untold damage their health. I mean, look, I've known about storms for probably 12 years in all my books, I've never once brought them up because I know how harmful they are. I know what they do to people's health long-term. And it seems to be like, no, I shouldn't. You're targeting, you're targeting this young kid that doesn't want to jump into testosterone or other steroids, but they want to look good and they start working out. And I don't know, just seems like, it seems like malicious. It is malicious. The people that sell them are mostly because most of you that are against will be targeting. The people that sell farms, if you go online and you do searches and stuff and I don't want to like, throw everybody under the bus. There's some good people out there, but they're not, they're just, they don't lead to anything productive. They cause long-term poor health. And again, you're talking about kids. Like, are youth should be learning about therapeutic peptides and therapeutic testosterone and things that will actually allow them to live a long, productive life? Not just die looking good. Exactly. And honestly, there were definitely small molecules that some people would technically classify as farms that if used in the context of health and longevity in surgically precise dosages, probably aren't going to do much harm. But as you know, and Tim Ferriss coined this, the difference between a pill and a poison is always a dosage. And the young kids, more is better. They live in supersized society. So they start taking so much. And before you know it, their liver is crushed. And so it's like, I always tell guys, like, man, educate yourself. It's easy to do now today. Don't use farms. If you're going to use a farm, make sure you're using one in a very, very small dose for a very specific reason and don't use it for more than four weeks. But I bet you could get the same results with some sort of peptide or some sort of other combination of better result. What are some other, I mean, I only know about peptide, storms, testosterone, steroids. What are some other things that people should definitely stay away from that you've seen, sort of? I mean, you're basically just again, you know, pre-workouts, adderol, anything that stimulates the beta-andrenergic system, which is the vascular system here. Because over time, that can cause heart enlargement of clendutorol, horrible joke. No one should take clendutorol. It literally causes a ordered valve damage. It causes inner heart wall damage. So many bros and women, you know, who are in the bodybuilding or the performance enhancement or even just the competitive physique arena, there's so many of them. It's a massive subculture. They take clendutorol dude, and it's so bad for you. Albuterol is a way better drug. It, you know, again, Albuterol is an asthma drug, right? They prescribe it like, like giving candy to a baby. But like if you use that at a micro dosage pre cardio, you'll have fat loss from it and it won't do any of the high-risk damage that clendutorol uses. But there are other small molecules out there. There are drugs called PPR inhibitors that have shown in studies to be toxic at high dosages. Look, at the end of the day, it's again, the Tim Ferriss principle. Always the difference between a pill and a poison is the dosage. It's just that most people seem to think that if some is good, more is better. And it's never that way. And it's always like, even when I coach or when I lecture, I talk, I always tell people, start low, go slow, maintain the minimum effective dosage principle. 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That's cornbreadhemp.com slash success, code success for 30% off your first order of these amazing dummies. Right. So let's talk about peptides. So, you know, where did peptides come into health and human optimization? How old are peptides? So peptides, so this is an interesting conversation because we have to talk about bioregulators and peptides. So the what peptides and bioregulators are, basically signaling chains and proteins. The longer chains are peptides and that's why most of them have to be injected and the smaller shorter chains are bioregulators and that's why a lot of them are oral capsules. But they're both amazing because they're mostly naturally produced in the human body. They don't cause any kind of side effects because like to understand this, you know, for the people listening to this audience and not go down on super, you know, esoteric rabbit hole, most alopathic medications are what are called Rockefeller petroleum distillate. So they're basically made out of oil-based drugs. And when those break down in our system, they cause side effects because oil doesn't break down in the body like a organic signaling or chain molecule like a peptide or a bioregulator does. So all of those drugs, as we already talked about, over time, as your person gets older and they're hooked on a big farm and they're taking 12, 15 pills a day, right? To medicate this side effect versus this side effect, they cause death because literally they cause system failure, organ failure, biological system failure. So over time, that's what happens. But with peptides and bioregulators, that doesn't happen. In fact, I've been using, which is crazy for me to think about this, but I've been using therapeutic peptides since 2004. And the true story is that the very beginning of my origin story when I was using therapeutic testosterone, I was learning from underground forums, which you already talked about. And at that time, you know, the bros and the people that I was learning from, and there were a lot of really smart guys who were mentoring me and back then did everything was anonymous. Nobody had names, they had the handles, right? So slayers, all that lotty building for them. Yeah, dude, but I mean, like back then, that's funny because the biggest one was miscellaneous fitness weights and it was in Canada, was based in Canada. Yeah. But the craziest thing is that there was this peptide that people started talking about called Ipa Morellin. And the beauty of Ipa Morellin was like, hey, man, you could take this peptide and it will increase your body's natural growth hormone production, but it will not give any side effects and it will not shut down your own natural production. So everyone's like, wow, sorry, use it. So back then, again, in 2004, it was my first peptide foray. I started using it combined with therapeutic testosterone and I got leaner. You know, and I felt better. I had better, deeper sleep because again, growth hormone assigned to peptides increase IGF1, which increases polyphasic sleep capability, improves skin elasticity, well-being, all these great things that you've heard about from peptides. And that was again in the very beginning and I always say like at the very beginning of drugs, when they circulate in the world, they're always the best. And then as they get broken down and people find out about them and they start cutting them and they're not as good. And so like I always laugh because like Ipa Morellin, when I was using it in 2004 through 2007 was like gold standard. And when I use Ipa Morellin today, it's not bad, but it's not the same effect, right? So it's just like, that's just kind of how drug culture works as companies get involved and middlemen get involved. And they start cutting things and you just don't know what kind of quality you're getting. But at the end of the day, peptides and bioregulators, the differences that bioregulators are smaller chains, peptides are longer chains. They have been used in Russia since literally the late 40s. So there's tons of peer review, there's tons of studies, there's a great scientist, professor, named Vladimir Cavinson, who actually died in December of 2023, who was essentially the father of peptide bioregulators. And he basically was the guy that pushed them into the Soviet Union and Eastern block countries and stuff, bulk area, obviously Ukraine. So all those people were using these drugs to do forever. In fact, if you went to Russia, and I have not been to Russia unfortunately yet, so it's a bucket place I wanna go to, they're over the counter. You can just go into any pharmacy and you can buy a bioregulator, you can buy a peptide and they're dirt yeast and they've been used again and dissonally for many, many reasons. Now to explain what a bioregulator is, and then we'll get deeper into peptides, there is a bioregulator, again, oral capsule for every organ, system, and biological system. So for example, think about like this and man can understand this. As a man gets older, the prostate grows, right? It hypertrophies. And so we all at 50, 60 have to wake up in the middle of the night to take a piss because our prostate walls are pushing against our urea, and it just makes us have a pressure going about them. I'm one of those, almost every guy in their 50 has to do that now. And obviously as you get older, sometimes it's twice in the night, so it's structured sleep. There was a bioregulator called libidon and there's two other ones too, but just to talk about libidon, where you can take two capsules a day for 10 days in a row and it shrinks your prostate. And you don't do anything else. You can do it twice a year. Now imagine that for the heart, for the thymus gland, for the pineal gland, for the kidneys, on and on it goes. So all these things are literally unbelievable. Again, all you have to do is take these a couple of times a year. There's also one called a pitilon. It literally extends the length of your telomeres. So telomerase, which is obviously what breaks down your telomeres as you age, imagine taking a pill that will improve your telomerase expression so you don't age as fast. So there's literally right now, like my company right now is we have access to 20th degree of them. They are made in Russia. They're flown from Russia to Latvia and then Latvia into the States. And as you know, from the last four years, the previous administration was not friends with Russia. So anybody who's dealing with Russia attempting to get bioregulators in the United States was not an easy deal. But something happened in the Ukraine war in 2023 and all of a sudden as of January of 2024, bioregulator started showing up on Amazon. So my buddies in the compounding world and in the formulation world had always told me about bioregulators, but they were like, oh, it's a Russian secret. Kaffitson patented all the bioregulators you can't get them in the United States. But then again, something happened in the Ukraine, Russia war, whatever that debacle is. And all of a sudden they started showing up on Amazon in January of last year. So then, you know, my, I made calls, connections with people and stuff like that and we found out that you could basically just sell bioregulators as a supplement. That they just somehow passed it and they just look at them because they're oil capsules as a supplement. They're technically not supplements. In Russia, they're basically considered medications. But in the United States and in the West, they're a supplement. So there's a race to expose bioregulators to the American public and the Western public is they're amazing. They're literally amazing. So what was the reason for years that these were not? Patents. Patents. They just completely kept them out of the West. It was just purely Russian patents. And again, I don't know that 100%. I know that from the formulators and the biochemists that I've known who told me that for literally since probably 2008. But I was always, I was aware of them. It was just, I was like that taboo product that you can't get because they're stuck behind the Eastern walk. Are there any health concerns with these? Did they have no side effects? They're insane. I mean, I know it sounds crazy. They've only been in the market for one year, but there's massive studies. If you can read Russian or Bulgaria, and you can read about them. But no, there's, I mean, again, they're tissue specific, which is crazy. So when you swallow them, they target the actual organ or biological system that they're intended to target. And they have no breakdown in the body that causes side effects. I mean, honestly, when I say there are no side effects from bioregulators, there are no side effects. I mean, I've never observed a person in, you know, in knowing now for about a year and a half of people using bioregulators, I've never seen a single person who's had any more of poor effects. I've seen men who literally stopped having to go to piss in the middle of the night, taking good of not. Because they're so effective. It's incredible. Pennial on, which is the, the, the pineal gland bioregulator, dude. It's like, if you take that with high dose melatonin, there's a whole group of people. There's a researcher named Doris Law. You can Google her. She's a friend of mine and she's like the high dose melatonin like queen of the plant. And she's done tons of studies on melatonin. That they're taking Pennial on and melatonin in their astral projecting, leaving their body. Oh my God, it's incredible. Incredible, like they're talking about this. You can Google this and read about this. Now, I personally cannot use high dose melatonin. I'm like one of those allures where like the more melatonin I take, the more it stimulates me to be awake, which is bizarre, right? Because most people take melatonin to fall asleep. Yeah, but then I also feel like garbage in the next day too. But depending on the level, exactly, right? Yeah, so you've all this experiment and melatonin, but that's what's really weird about melatonin is everybody's individually and biochemically unique with their experience with it. But I've done it. I've taken it with Pennial on. I have not astral projected. But I'm definitely like, well, I think most people, I mean, most people don't care about astral projecting. Most people just wanna like live longer, be healthier, feel better, but it is interesting. I mean, really your body, it's pretty awesome. I have this conversation a lot. Like, you know, what's your view on alternative medicine and I do like listen, my answer is, you know, in the West, incentives drive a lot of behavior. So I think there's a lot, the issue is that there's so much stuff that could work, but it'll never be studied by the people that should be studying it because it doesn't impact their bottom life. That's 100% metformin, right? Metformin is the number one anti-aging drug in the history of the world. It's actually finally in a big, it's in its fourth year at the Tain trial. Barsalai, I forget the guy's name, he's a famous Israeli researcher, is doing the study. I have been on Metformin for 20 years. I wrote the world's biggest article, you know, it's fighting on the Harvard and research EDU. All the reasons why people should be on Metformin, but it's exact same reason. Like, nobody will get behind it because they can't make money. It's off patent. We're selling it from our company now. But it's the number one most studied drug in history of the world, right? It's a plant that grows wild in the fields of France, but big farm of patent in the 40s. And then it started giving it the diabetic people, and then, you know, doctors unfortunately learn in their first year of medical school that metformin causes lactic acidosis in the kidneys. And so they tell people, you can't be on Metformin unless you're diabetic. But now we know that all the studies, and again, this trial going on, that it's the most powerful anti-aging drug in the world. It does all these amazing things. In fact, I tell everyone, like, if you're going to be on one thing as you age, you have to be on that form. It increases acrimoncia in the microbiome. It kills and crushes systemic inflammation. Dude, people that were on that form and during COVID never got sick. It couldn't get sick. It's such a powerful drug. But like you said, there's no incentives for pharma to push Metformin. There's no incentives for doctors to write scripts for their patients. Dude, I swear to God, I won't tell you this person is that you know this person. In 2014, he said to me, if Metformin and human growth hormone were in the water supply, there would be no hospitals. It's insane. It's absolutely insane. But so to think about that, they don't want health. There's no money yet. Like you said, incentives. It's profit. Don't want health. So then the issue is, you know, I think people can buy into that idea that they should take your health into their own hands, but it's a minefield of information. It isn't minefield. Oh, that is. I mean, do 25 years ago, when I was on the internet at the beginning, it was nothing but coal. And as you know, now the signal to noise ratio is so distorted. And also people, again, now people that... Okay. So we have doctors that don't know what they're talking about. We have pharmaceutical companies that are incentivized, only push the products they sell that they have patents on. But then we have social media influencers that only make money off the products that they sell, and they're not going to talk about anything else. Honestly, and did you know me now just from talking to me, 80% of social media influencers don't know shit. I know that. They, let's just be very honest, they've not done their homework. They might, as a male or female, they might have an awesome physique and people look at them and say, wow, you know, the publisher does this person, oh, it's insanely dangerous. And this is the truth, too. And, you know, I'm an OG, clinical pioneer buyer hacker. A lot of people see me that I'll be 54 in February. I've been in the space for 30 plus years. And I've been doing the work, right? Like I've been doing shit on myself, working with other lab rats, working with people like I would never recommend any drug or any supplement to anybody if I thought there was risk, right? But as you know, there's a lot of Johnny come lately people out there. And they do one thing, and it works for them. And then they'll say that everything else is garbage. That's what they do. They become like these like almost like a zealot for like one kind of formula, one kind of diet, one kind of supplement. And they say that everything else is going to kill you. I feel so bad for younger people because they are coming up in a world of just complete distortion. Yeah, I know. You and I, I mean, I know you're younger than I am, but like we did not have it as bad as they have it now. Like everything for every five people on the internet that they research for are completely votes. So that wasn't the case even when I was sort of like going on my own health and wellness journey. I played a lot of hockey then got into bodybuilding and lifting and the guys that I looked up to. They were the guys that had like Lane Norton. Yeah, of course, like he's been around for forever and how did he, how did he, you know, prove that he knew what he was talking about? He would cite peer reviewed scientific journals. You do everything himself. Trying to think about the guy. There's like, where are some other big doctors in this space? Dr. Anthony J. What's the guy on what's his name on? These are like OG and bear. Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of them out there. And you know what, like, but they don't have big social media followers. They don't have social media followers. They'd write, they'd back up what their beliefs were with evidence and data and science. And none of that. They didn't use the latest viral hack to get a million views on TikTok and Instagram and build a following that they built a following based on the validity of their idea. Exactly, exactly. And now that they scientifically proved through experiments on themselves and the people at work with. Yeah. And nowadays, like you said, it's so out of control. The algorithm is a sham. I mean, it rewards. Sorry, but it's an explanation. Yeah, dude, it rewards. Because what happens is the disinformation. Then you're going to have people that are going to comment that this is bullshit. But then it's going to get shown to a large group of people because there's so much engagement on that post. That's exactly. So now you have to, so now you're, you know, you're just an average guy looking on TikTok or Instagram for fitness or health advice. And you're just looking at the thing with, you know, two, three, four, five, six million views and wondering, well, is this right? Is this not right? It's incredible. I mean, you know, I want to keep going deeper on peptides. But like we should talk, we should talk definitely about like diets, right? Because that's become the biggest circus of all time. Keto, carnivore, if it fits your macros. I mean, all that is utter nonsense. Because the truth is is that your diet, whether you're a man or woman, should be based on your energetic demand. And Charles Poliquin, you know, I know you know, Charles, you know, God rest his soul. I learned a lot from him. He was a mentor to me. He taught you that, or he taught that you had to remain metabolically flexible and he would always say, you get your carbs when you deserve them. And think about how genius of a statement that was because that's how you live your life. Don't avoid protein fats or carbohydrates. Use them in moderation relative to what you do. If you're a bodybuilder or a physique athlete, you need carbohydrates. Don't be retarded. If you're a fired man, you know, triathlete endurance performance, you can probably use a ketogenic diet, right? But like people just get so confused. And I see, and again, Instagram TikTok, there's millions of people going down the carnivore and the ketogenic diet road and all of them fail. Because again, I helped write a book when I was 25 years old, the ketogenic diet in theory and practice by Lyle McDonald. I was a crash to Stummy. Lyle McDonald, that's another guy. Hey, yeah. He was a very good friend of mine. He is completely insane, but he's brilliant. But he's completely insane. I mean, to be here is just fine. But like he's a brilliant guy, but like the truth is, is that being in a ketogenic diet long-term crushes your insulin metabolism. It recharges your insulin metabolism. I lived it for six months in my life, being in a ketogenic diet for two years. I couldn't eat carbohydrates. I would go to sleep if I ate carbohydrates. So all these people who are going down these paths, and again, I'll just specifically say carnivore and keto. Don't know what they're doing. They're being misled because you cannot avoid carbohydrates, protein and fat if you want to have a functioning metabolism long-term. We were designed intelligently, obviously, to burn through all those fuel sources. And there's a place and a time for each of them. And to avoid one or two of them to do one specific thing is only going to end badly. I think that, again, a lot of it comes down to who are you influenced by. And people treat diets like religion and politics. It's like, I can only be the only one who's right. So it's so well said, it's so true. And I think that it is the most toxic. It is absolutely insane. And also, on top of the fact that you can be, what was a term metabolically flexible, which is very smart? Also, you should understand your own energy level, too. Exactly. Exactly. Like, so for example, I don't like doing pure keto. I like lowering carbs during the week, so I don't have, like, a four-cloth question. That's the only way that you should do it. Again, you get your carbs when you deserve them. You just lifted, you just did something intense, you need to read, like a geno, you know? But it's, you do, people make it. But like you said, I mean, it goes back to the insanity of social media. They follow one guru who does all this. I mean, look, Paul Saladino, who was Mr. Carnivore, he's, to his credit, to respect Paul, shout out to Paul. He's come back. He realized he's like, you know what? I did it wrong. I put everything into that and I stopped, I screwed up my insulin tables and I have issues. And so now he's out there preaching to people to do it right. And so I think everyone has to learn that again, the key is not a specific diet. It's to remain metabolic flexible. And your metabolic flexibility might be different than mine. And you know, and again, through trial and error and research and living a clean lifestyle, living insulin controlled, you're going to figure out how many carbs you need. It's that simple. And then you have like the, you know, the most ridiculous example of just bullshit online is liver king. Where he's, where he's about, he lies about how much gear he takes, he lies about the cycle, he lies about being natty, he lies about his workouts, he lies about his diet. How amazing is that there to think that he built up that massive cult following? And this is a truth. And you know, I don't, we could go spiritual if you want to like, bro, people like to be lied to. Think about that. Most people that's comforting. It's the Jack Nicholson Tom Cruise. You can't handle the truth. The truth is for the most sincere. The truth is that you have, first of all, the truth is that two things can be right at the same time. 100% and also the truth is that you have to think for yourself, which is the scariest part of the truth. Because if you have to think for yourself, that means that, hmm, I have to learn about macros, I'm gonna have to learn about lifting, I have to learn about hormones. I can't just take one person's advice and shut off everything else and just follow them. Like, and live my life exactly the way that social media tells me to live my life. Maybe I should be a critical thinking individual, the concerning individual. And that's very scary for people because there's no, there's no playbook for critical thinking. I mean, you're right, dude. I mean, sad, but just think about liver cane for a second. Like, how deluded would you have to be if you're a man or woman in your early 20s and you've exercised to not think that he was on gear, of course, and to listen to the lies and to follow and to get into that cult mentality or that cult of personality of like being, he's your hero, it just goes back to everything you just said. Like, you don't feel worthy as an individual to not be lied to. And that's why you're listening to that person. And dude, like you just said, so many of these people, again, I don't want to pick on younger people, but they grew up in a world where discernment and critical thinking was not taught. Dude, they asked this for the answers. I know. I mean, imagine asking a screen for the answer, dude. I tell people this all the time. I mean, I grew up in a world where I had to go to the cart, have a log in the library, and use the Dewey Festival system and then ask the librarian to go get the book. And then I had to read the book. And then I had to take notes and I couldn't highlight it. I couldn't use a screenshot of it. You know, it's getting even worse with AI now. I was thinking, but this the other day, this is going to be the first generation. They can outsource 100% of their thinking to AI. Every question you have, every email you want to write, anything you want to do, you can outsource to AI. It's insane. I literally, it's funny you just brought that up because I was on X, I love X, that's my place to go and do my cardio and just be outlandish. And I swear to God, dude, now X has GROC where before you send your post or your reply, you can click and it drop down and it rewrites your whole goddamn thing and does it for you, like you said. It's literally taking away the power of human ingenuity. I know. What world, why would any of us want to live in a world like that? Because humans, I don't know why, but I do know that humans are inherently lazy. That's easy, that's what my wife says. She says that people are just so lazy now that they can outsource or doordash or Amazon or anything. But only a degree, to a degree. So laziness serves people to a degree because if you are trying to build something or you're trying to be your best self, there's a lot of stuff you should delegate in your life. Be efficient. But I do think that there's some things that impact you cognitively, that impact your mind that you should not outsource. Who cannot outsource? You cannot outsource your writing, you cannot outsource your thought patterns. That's insane. And you're right, and that's where they're taking. It's too much to the extreme. So I don't mind, listen, if you're building a business, I mean, a lot of entrepreneurs listen to this show and this is so I spend a lot of my time around. You have to delegate to build anything meaningful. We're getting to the point we're delegating our own thoughts. That's an issue. That's an issue. And it started with social media, but now it's like, it's gotten even worse with AI. That's insane. I mean, like I said, I mean, I don't bro, I'm also reinforced by like traditional society and now media where I don't think for yourself, just listen to what we have to say. So every single part of our life, if you're not careful, is signaling outsource your thinking. It's insane. It's very... I'm a writer, obviously, an author, and you know, writing has always been a thing for me, and I refuse to use AI to write. I refuse. I literally, like people like some, you know, like even my company, the guys that run our co-founders and stuff, they'll be like, oh, it's something to AI and check, I'm like, no, we're not gonna do that. We have brains and we're intelligent people. Like, but to your point, there is a place for it. And so it's like, it's separating, you know, through discernment, like, where is the place that's not gonna derail you as a human being? Yeah. And I think that might, like you said, this new generation, how do they even, how do they even determine how to discern that? Well, I hope that if they listen to enough shows like this, and they realize that the people that they look up to, are critical thinkers and don't outsource their thinking, then they're gonna think, well, maybe if I wanna emulate that person or have even a fraction of their success, maybe I should sort of follow their rule. That's about the only opportunity, probably. The only chance. Be the role model for your kids, for the community, for the people that look up to you, for the people that you work with, you have to be the role model, I think. Okay, so let's talk about peptides. That's popular now. I have a couple of friends that I was telling you forward stress record. One of my friends, he's injured by a compounding pharmacy and he came from like the beauty space and he's tried every peptide. I mean, let's son on himself, yeah. I always hear about like Motsie and all these others. He's tried every way of, you know, God bless them. He acts like a little bit of a guinea pig, so I can't, I can't hate. But obviously these are very popular right now. You've been doing peptides for 21 years. First of all, why are they so popular now? This is a cultural phenomenon, what made them so popular in, you know, 2025? So I'm gonna give you the contrarian answer and I know this to be true, even though I had no idea. So my claim to fame in peptides is I wrote a book on peptides that published in February 1st, technically, you know, cause the Amazon gain. It went live on the 28th, but nobody actually saw it until February 1st, 2023 and it blew up, dude. It was the first real peptide book on Amazon. You know, everybody started talking about it. Obviously my name is an author from my hormone stuff helped, but it just blew up. And so we didn't understand what happened and I had a research chemical company that I affiliated for that I had a bunch of short links in there and they blew up. They went from doing $150,000 a month and sales to $800,000 a month and sales. And it just blew them up and now they're doing, you know, in the two and three million a month deal. But the bottom line is, and again, this is totally contrarian and very few people are talking about this. I have talked about this on the Mind Pump podcast. Dude, people were looking for alternative forms peeling from the Vax. It was the perfect, it was the perfect storm. It came out in February of 2023 and people were not telling, they were not, and as you know, most people who, whether they were forced or volunteered or whatever, it's a shame thing. They don't want to talk about it. They won't, they won't even admit that they're hurting from it, you know. And we know there's massive autoimmune issues. We know there's turbo cancers. This is not conspiracy. This is fact. I watched my wife's father die of turbo cancer from Vax and bloopers. I watched it. I saw what happened to him. And then I also dealing with him dying for a year. I saw what was happening in the medical system in California. And all these older men and women are dying of turbo cancers. It was literally, I don't want to rabbit hole, but that was some sort of a population control to get rid of the people not paying taxes. That's my opinion, but that's what I'm seeing. But bottom line is in 2023, when my book came out, it exploded in a mass consciousness, you know, through Amazon, through the research chemical company that I was promoting, everybody started talking about it. But no one was admitting that they were looking for alternative homes of healing. And peptides were offering that solution. Well, people realized how sick the population is. I think that's really a hundred percent. Well, now for sure, it fast forward to 2025. But that's kind of what blew them up because they were always a side show in the performance enhancement arena and the bodybuilding visit. I don't think they were ever doing it seriously. No, no, no, no, well, they weren't taken seriously by the doctors that I was like lecturing with, you know, like the big health conferences from 2017 is when they started becoming real. Oh, I meant like in the world of like Annabala. No, no, no, yep, they still aren't. A lot of bodybuilders still don't understand them. They pay me to like explain it to them. You know, they all the bodybuilding conferences want me to come and talk now. Like they wanted to put me on their main deal. And I spoke to the Olympia last year. And now I'm doing like big fit expos and stuff like that. So it's crazy. But yeah, they didn't see them as like as beneficial as they are now. But again, there's just more research now. The clinical space is obviously writing scripts. And you know, we'll get to it. But GLP ones have become the biggest drug in the world. And there's a reason for that and we'll get to that. But truthfully, peptides were very easy to manufacture. They all, and you know, I want to be very honest about this because you hear a lot of nonsense. Almost all peptides originate in Hong Kong. The synthesizing labs for the actual wall materials we call them Rawls, all come from China. So why is that? That's just because they built all the labs in the infrastructure. Infrastructure, as you know, is just so much cheaper to manufacture over there and build in technology as cheaper and stuff like that. And the efficiencies of scale. But the bottom line is, is that they ship out of there and then they go to other countries. And then a lot of the countries, including the USA, will manufacture them. And what we call finish them, bottle them, put them in vials. And then the USA and the USA manufacture. Bottom line is there within that. Now, truthfully, my company has USA manufacturer peptides. We're like the first research company to actually do it. Our lab is in California. We actually now have a backup lab in Philadelphia that was in six months, will manufacture all of them. They probably 80% of the Rawls are coming from China right now. But eventually it will be all USA. And the cool thing is, Scott, is that we're probably within a year of that changing. Because again, for what you say, they're becoming so ubiquitous. They're so big, they're mainstream. Everybody's talking about, you know, Rogan's talking about them, Huberman's talking about them. They're all talking about everybody talks about peptides now, which is a benefit for me because I know so much about them. But at the end of the day, they are a solution that offers effects with minimal side effects. They're not going to kill you if you overdose on them. They have so many applications. And again, the ultimate solution or answer for why they're so beneficial now is because they fundamentally treat the root cause. Whereas our pathetic medications are mandates, right? They're wrapping up or covering up symptoms. You know, medicating your symptoms, medicating you, making you feel bad, but then causing another issue. Whereas like you use a peptide, you know, we can talk about like say BPC 157, right? Because most people know what that is. It's body protective compound. We literally call it the Wolverine healing peptide because it literally accelerates healing at like 70 times natural healing. That's how effective it is. You find your wrist, your elbow, your shoulder, a ligament, you know, your ankle, and you can inject locally with a microscopic, you know, insulin, insulin, right into the origin of the injury and literally in two weeks, we completely heal. Versus previous to not having that, it would take six to eight weeks. You'd have to do intensive therapy, hot, cold, compression, blah, blah, blah. So it's, they're, they're incredible. And then you can fast forward to like every biological or organ system and you have a peptide that will help in all of them. So I think the issue is is still just the education because like you said, there's so much nonsense out there. And again, and I always say this and we'll kind of already mention this, but like if you are a diseased, what I call our coin dumps your fire. You do not take care of yourself. You're insulin dysregulated, you're metabolically inflamed and of course you're probably over fat. And you use peptides, you're not gonna get the same effect if somebody like you and I use peptides. And so a lot of people will start with peptides because again, magic bullet, magic bullet, right? And they don't get the same effect or they don't even get a good effect. And they're like, this is a scam or this doesn't work. And it's like, no dude, you gotta have the basics and the foundation set first before you use peptides. Cause dude, at the end of the day, peptides are no different than therapeutic disassessment. They're adjuments to a balanced and optimized lifestyle, right? But when you're optimizing a lifestyle standpoint, and we could talk about that for a second, right? Again, living in insulin controlled, you're exercising, you're getting enough sleep, you're limiting your exposure to EMFs and toxins. And then you throw in peptides, it's a world changer or a game changer, right? But when you're not, you're not gonna see the same effects. Now that's not to say, cause I don't want people to listen to this and think it's not true. Anyone can benefit from the healing peptides. You know what I'm saying? But it should be part of the journey. 100% yeah, it's not, it's not the origin. I got you. So if somebody is just getting into peptides, I know that you put together, which is wild and 93 page deck on every single peptide under the sun. But if you go through, let's go through like category by category. So when somebody's first sort of exploring peptides, first of all, I would say just, what should they start to look for? What are the parts of the, what are the different types of categories that they can learn about and they can start to explore? Sure. So again, peptides are either long or short chain signaling molecules. Most people who start off in peptides usually are for healing, right? They have an injury, tendon issue, sprain, ankles, strain, terribly give it whatever. And so they look into how can I heal faster? So the biggest healing peptides, and again, probably the majority of people that listen to this podcaster who watched this podcast, who are not even familiar with peptides have heard of someone using what is called BPC-157, which stands for Body Protective Compound-157. BPC-157 is an angiogenic peptide, which it means, which means it actually enhances red blood cell formation so that when you break a tendon or tear a tendon or sprain an ankle or whatever, it speeds the rate of healing. Now, there's another peptide that you want to usually take along with it that we love, that is known as TB 500, which means stymus and beta 500. And thymus and beta 500 is actually the inflammation suppressing peptide. So when you take BPC and TB 500 together, they work very synergistically to suppress like acute onset, inflamed injury, and they also speed the rate of healing. So they're both amazing. So there's a lot of companies out there, including our company, Balala and JVLabs, will make a blend of both TB 500 and BPC together, and then people will use that to speed the rate of healing. We actually call those peptides and combinations of wolverine dealing stack. Is that just for athletes? Or would somebody just go into the gym trying to recover? For anyone, I mean, literally 80-year-old people can use it. They're that amazing. So I mean, again, in our bodies, we have, you know, angiogenic signaling molecules floating around, but as we get over, we lose the ability to regenerate those or to regrow them faster. So injecting BPC 127 and TB 500 actually will increase the formation of red blood cell, lymph, IGF, and all of that to speed the rate of healing. So you, honestly, it's not exaggeration. You literally can accelerate your wound healing, again, soft tissue tenderness, healing at six to seven to eight times would have been normal. You know, people keep talking about, like, their age versus their biological age, testosterone, therapies, peptides, did those have an impact? Because I'm assuming, like, as we get older, if we do nothing, then all of our hormones get out of whack, they're not the same as when we were 20, and I'm assuming all these other things that peptides impact, those also decrease. And so do they actually start, this is part of like the age reversing stack that everybody talks about? Yes, 100 percent. There's actually specific peptides and bioregulators that increase telomerase expression, which means that that's going to actually prevent your telomeres from shortening. And again, telomeres shortening over time is what ages us both, you know, oxidatively and also through free-oxid radicals. So those peptides definitely do that, but all peptides, and of course, therapeutic hormones, growth hormone, if we're living a clean lifestyle, you know, all the things that we talked about previously or earlier on this podcast, will definitely improve biological age, 100 percent. So just going through different sort of use cases, so fat loss. So obviously, everyone's trying to lose fat. People know about GLPs, and I'm just looking at some of the ones that you list here. The ones that you list here for fat loss, there's a whole bunch of other ones outside of GLPs. And I think we'll talk about GLPs later because I think that's a whole other thing. What are the other ones? And actually, I would ask, why would you use, for example, AOD, 90604 or Tesla Morellin or Sloop? Why would you use those over GLPs? You would want to use them in combination. Okay. So truly have the most effective fat loss, you know, protocol, but you know, just to talk about them, well actually there's a couple more I want to mention healing. So I'm just now for one, which is the immunomodulator peptide, which is the one that we talked about that I don't, everywhere I travel in the world, I carry it with me because if you get sick, you can inject it and it literally will massively suppress whatever is compromising your immune system and have you healthy and right as rain, usually within 24 to 36 hours. It's unreal and common cold. 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You don't hear this now, but like back in 2021, when they were intubating people and killing them, some very smart doctors and obviously people in the research communities were like, no, you need to give them VIP and give them a nasal inhaler or inject them with VIP and that was literally opening people's airways. Because again, COVID was starving red blood cells of oxygen. That's what it was doing to kill people. And we didn't know that in the very beginning and even the medical community didn't know that. So they were intubating people and killing people, especially inflamed, comorbid people who couldn't handle the intubation. But once you started giving them VIP would open them up. If we're going to talk about VIP, we should mention one other one, this very powerful one. It's called LL37. And that is an antimicrobial anti-pathogenic peptide. And so like TA-1, which is an indenomodulator, if you get really sick, you can inject LL37 and it will literally attack the viral agent, the virus or the viral invading agent or the pathogen like in the microbiome in a little wheel disabled. So it's really powerful. So if you carry these when you travel, when you're, you'll know when on slank, you never get sick. No, and I know a lot of people that actually do. So if you're going to travel and like have your anti-pathogenic or anti-sick or viral illness stack, you're going to carry TA-1, you're going to carry LL37 and you're going to carry VIP with you. Yeah, okay, so that's the health stack, basically. Okay, so then fat loss. Talk about some of the ones that I mentioned. Yeah, for sure. So the growth hormone agonist peptides are the most well-known for fat loss. And those would be in order of like use the case and notoriety would be, the first one is Tessamorellin. Now Tessamorellin is actually an FDA approved peptide known as a Gryfta. And they created that peptide to work with men who have HIV and a specific disease that comes from guys who have HIV and it comes from taking HIV meds, but it's called lipodistrophy and it's hard visceral abdominal fat. So when you inject Tessamorellin into that hard visceral abdominal fat, it's like it melts it, it burns it off. So a biohacker or a longevity person looking to lose body fat will inject Tessamorellin in their center mass, center ediposity, and due to, it's true. I say this all the time, it's like taking a hot knife to butter with that tissue. So is it like maize? It didn't say that, dependent? I mean, it's not that you could inject it pretty much anywhere, but because it specifically targets visceral body fat in the center mass, you want to inject it like right in the middle of the area. That's why, okay. Yeah, it's amazing peptide. And that's the strongest one from a fat loss measurement standpoint. The next one, and maybe the best one overall for both men and women, specifically women is called dippomorellin. Now, that's the peptide that you and I talked about when I first started using peptides in 2004, I used it and had profound results in success with. And then I gave it to my wife. When we first started dating back in 2012 and changed her physique completely, but that peptide also increases IGF1, which is interstitial growth fluid, which again, increases natural growth hormone production. The amazing part about that peptide is it's the only one in scientific studies to show no increase in cortisol or prolactin. And it also does not disturb your body's natural IGF1 production. So you can take that and never disturb your body's growth hormone as you get older. The other one to mention is CJC1295. And CJC1295, a lot of the times, is actually compounded together with dippomorellin because it gives a stronger growth hormone, like enhancement than dippomorellin in isolation. However, some people, when they take, this is the one peptide that if there's like a side effect profile that people notice, and it's very not mild, they might get a flushing sensation when they inject CJC1295. But those are the three primary, like 5AOD you mentioned, is also a good one. It's one of those peptides that in theory is better than it is in practice. Most people who use it don't see as a pronounced effect is the other three that I just mentioned, but it is something that you can take. We actually manufacture supplement at BioLongevity Labs. It's an oral powder form of AOD, and when it's combined with some other small molecules, it actually is more synergistic for fat loss in a fasted state, then I would say people who inject it. I've used it going back seven or eight years, I tried it when it first came out, because like I said in the science, it shows it's really really good for fat loss. But sometimes the science doesn't show in practicality. I think also you have to make sure that like where you're buying it from, it's good. Yeah, because I think this is the issue with some of this stuff. You don't know who's making it. That's why you buy from BioLongevity Labs, and you're getting GMP certification, pharma quality products, but you're 100% right, you definitely know. Arnold jokes about this, but people of Arnold's body building error joke about how the drugs they used to take, they were so pure, so they took a lot less. 100% true. And because they were not even illegal, that's how you could get it from a pharmacy versus now. Like we talked about earlier, drugs 20 to 30 years ago were way better than drugs now. Even, I mean, if you even get into like the party drug world, like anybody who took MDMA, pure MDMA 25 or 30 years ago, knows that the MDMA today, unless you get it from like an actual pharmacy, which they do make pharmaceutical medicinal versions of MDMA for people with PTSD, it's 30. It's cheap and it's water down with something. Exactly, it's water, no, that's the fentanyl is accurate. But I mean, that's the thing with drugs is like, as more people are exposed to them, the dealers and the middlemen and all those people, they always cut things to make more money, to make it go wrong. This is why I don't get why, if drugs are not, like I'm not talking about cocaine and MDMA, but peptides and some, I mean, like some testosterone authors that are actually beneficial to your health and longevity, when the government shuts this shit down, all they do is they create more danger for the consumer. Because now that you create more underground labs and more underground producers, and those guys who are, we'll get under, we'll get it. 100%. We're still gonna go. It's like Rick Collins always used to say the famous, you know, performance and enhancement turn, he says, if there's a demand, there will be a supply. Yeah. You cannot, the genie is out of the bottle. I never, I wish that there was more regulation, not from like I love regulation, but when it comes to health and shit that you put into your body, you have to have quality control. So it's not, it's not about regulation. It's about not letting somebody make it in their back tub. Let's see. Think about this, though, Scott, like that's the scam, right? Because like the supplement industry is wholly unregulated. I know it is. But the pharmaceutical industry is extremely quality control, but we talk smack about big pharma because they make a lot of petroleum, just a little drugs that are obviously harmful for people, especially as they age, but yet we have no control of the supplement industry, and there are literally people, you know, I won't name names, but I know them personally who are scamming people and making hundreds of millions of hours selling fake supplements. Like I tell people this all the time, because I've been in this business in that space, and I don't have harbor any ill will. There's a lot of amazing supplement manufacturers and they make quality products, but for every good one, there's 10 people spiking their amino acids and literally selling bogus protein. And it's like if you don't know because you're a long-term consumer and you buy the right products and companies, you know, that have been in the game for 30 years, you have no way to know. Like we were talking, you know, previously about like young people today, there's so much decidable noise ratio is so high, most people buy supplements but there aren't even real protein powder. That's insane. Well, I mean, what happened with the Blackstone labs and they were putting, well, they actually, they were the opposite end of the spread. Actually, they were adding drugs into the, and that stuff on that happens all the time too. And all those guys, they know that they're eventually gonna get caught because all it takes is one person to test the product. Of course, but make as much money as we possibly can and then we'll move on. And that's literally what they do. And so that's what I always tell people, like, you know, I don't want to rabbit hole too much but supplements, you really have to be a wise, discerning, critical thinking and user because a lot of those companies will scam you. And if you don't understand what's in the product that you're taking, there's risks. Yeah, and even if you do understand what's in the product that you're taking, you're hoping that they're putting that actually in the product. And that was the thing that always blew my mind and when I was in the business myself, which thankfully I'm not anymore, is that dude, even if you bought it from the pure source, if you don't test it every single time that they send it to you, they could be scamming you themselves. That's scary dude, it's very scary. That's the supplement industry, man. Very scary. Okay, what about, what about a slew? Okay, so SLU, PP-332. Put it under fat laws. Yeah, so 100%. So it's technically a small molecule it's known as an obesity gen. It's been in the underground performance enhancement world since 2019, but no one, including myself, knew anything about it until like early part of last year. I started using it from a company that was selling it and then our company started manufacturing and now it's like everybody has it in marketplace because it's absolutely profound agent. It is a mitochondrial up-regulator, which means that it enhances energy production, it enhances fat loss, it improves torque generation or forced production. So every, any person who lifts weights or wants to look better naked can benefit from using that supplement. It's absolutely amazing. We're finding now that there's like all different types of dosage parameters and it actually, because it's a mitochondrial optimizing supplement, you can also use other supplements or peptides or bioregulators synergistically whether to enhance its effect. And that's why, okay, so you classify mitochondrial peptides in the same categories fat loss because they work through different pathways, but you're basically trying to achieve the same end result to a degree. Basically, we can talk about mitochondrial peptides right now anyway, but like, because I see MOTC is another one. Yeah, so MOTC, so just to switch that, but to answer what you just said, so mitochondrial optimizing supplements do a lot of things, but for most people to measure what they observe or see or experience or feel, it's gonna be fat loss. It's gonna be energy production and fat loss. And MOTC to talk about that, that's the best mitochondrial optimizing peptide for people who don't have healthy mitochondria, which is the majority of people, right? Because they're fat and flamed, insulin resistant. So when you give those people a nice bolus of MOTC, they become like us, they become energized and they wanna go to the gym and all of a sudden the gym. And then of course, if you're going to the gym, that's gonna be a pre-perser for losing fat. I see, okay. For muscle growth, is there anything, I mean, let's talk about you, you mentioned a lot of peptides that sort of activate growth hormones and they help increase your natural growth hormone production. So, which ones would be the most effective for muscle growth, but also are there, when people take peptides from muscle growth, are there any that even would remotely mirror like an anabolic steroid, or are they much lighter? So the answer is yes and no, we're not at that point where they're available yet, but there's one peptide that's in that deck that you have called ACE 031. And that is the actual first myostatin inhibiting peptide that actually works. And what I mean by that, that if you use a high enough dose, which as we spoke previously or off air, it's so expensive right now, that no one can technically afford it because it would cost like $12,000 for a month. Yeah, that's right. But illiterally or most of it does, it literally does. It's probably somewhere between six and 12,000 a month, depending on if you're a man or woman and how big you are, but it's still too expensive. But the reality is it does inhibit myostatin, which allows people to build muscle like in site-specific areas, right? So like if you injected it here in your shoulder and you have like lagging development, it would actually allow you, combined with all the other things, right? testosterone and the growth hormone agonist peptide, it would allow you to put size in a specific area. So we're getting into like the amazing, you know, parts of like what's coming, but relatively speaking body bills are gonna freak out. Oh, I mean, GLPs, when we talk about GLPs, I don't even believe it, but to answer the question about muscle building, again, Tessamorell and Ippamorell and CJC, combined with therapeutic testosterone, if you know, combined with sleep, combined with eating a caloric surplus, right? Because I always tell people, you know, people, and you know this from back in the steroid body building using world, but there really is no muscle gain or fat loss. It's literally a, it's all of them can work both directions. It's relative to whether you're in a caloric deficit or a caloric surplus, right? So a caloric surplus to build muscle, you would take Tessamorell and Ippamorell or you would take Ippam and CJC, along with testosterone, along with sleep. And then, you know, again, for fat loss, it would just be a caloric deficit and any of those things would also be. I've seen one that you listed here that you actually mentioned, IGF1, I've seen that in body building circles for forever, but I've always found that people say it's not worth it. It's not. It's 100%. Okay, so I have to caveat this. It's never been worth it until now because now there is follow statin. And follow statin is a form of IGF1. All the IGF1 that you saw, along with what I saw, you had injected, they sold it from research chemical companies and nobody would ever notice anything. And the reason that was is the majority of it was being denatured. So when they were putting it in the vials, it just wasn't stable as a molecule. So you weren't getting any efficacy from it. But now there is a company out there that I was telling you about. It's in Lithuania that's making follow statin. And they're putting it actually in a reconstitution solution that has flavonoids and also a form of exosomes. And dude, it's pretty amazing. I mean, I know people that are injecting so it's doing what it's supposed to do because it's stable now. It's literally building muscles in specific locations similar to what A031 would do. But A031 is obviously a myostatine inhibitor. So it's going to be a little bit more pronounced. But yeah, IGF1, you know, they actually, it's known as IGF1LR3 and it's kind of long receptor three. But the point of that product, it was always hype. People would talk about it. And then bodybuilders would use it or underground performance athletes would use it and they wouldn't see anything. But it was always because they couldn't manufacture it at a level that kept the molecule stable. So when you would get it or I would get it or anybody would get it and you would use it, you'd be like, this doesn't work. This is a scam. And that's what it was. But I don't think the people that were making it really intended it for that. I just think they did that. Listen, again, a lot of this stuff, now it's more popular. And now you have, you know, smart people putting a lot of thought, chemistry is improving. But for the longest time, when the government makes something illegal, then you have all these, it is kind of scary. People trying to figure it out in their house, trying to figure it out. Bat's up bruised. Yeah, it's just, and that's, you know, totally true. The worst case scenario, obviously, it makes something that's actually very harmful to your health. And there's stories about people that buy stuff online. Baroids are sure. Thankfully, as we, that case scenario, it's just not effective. Thankfully, peptides really aren't going to kill you. You know, so they can make these things bad, but there's very rare, these systemic side effects. But obviously with, with antibiotics, you know, especially oral, like methyl testosterone or things like that, you can check your liver down. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. I think that that's like something that I really want to get across because for some reason, people just have this, they have this idea of if I'm injecting myself with something, I'm gonna die. And I think that I, it's full fix for the other, it said everybody thinks they're gonna get an embolism, right? And it's gonna go to their heart. Well, because the average, the average, like health routine doesn't include needles. Even like injectable B12, is it B12, I think? Yeah, it's B12, yeah, injectable B12, which is amazing. It's incredible for energy, but people are so scared of needles. Psychoball, yeah, remember when we talked about that tyranophobia, the fear of needles. So just because you're taking peptides, doesn't mean you're taking some underground steroids, there's no. And truthfully to speak about that, once or twice of an injection of either a peptide insulin needle, which again is microscopic, or as we were talking now, even better, and I would call it peptides 200, is the peptide to medical grade pens, which are literally 4mm, which you can literally inject into your face and can't feel it, right? Like women are injecting it for skin quality and skin health and beauty and stuff like that now. So where we're going, you know, knew when I were talking about it earlier too, is there's guys out there, one of your friends, they're inventing injector technologies that will literally be pain-free, right? So when we get to that level, now we're gonna be talking about like, wow, this is really gonna become something that everybody wants to take part, because, and this is my estimate, and I can't prove this, but this is just what my thoughts are on this and beliefs are, 80% of the marketplace right now will still not inject themselves. The fear of injection is too much for them to overcome, even though we both know it's nothing, and it's something that anybody can overcome. And listen, I would say 95% of people initially have a fear of needles. But once you do it, it's like I like to say, it's like brushing your teeth, but you still have to get to that point where you do it. Some people, and again, women inject themselves more easily than men do, they'll have their wives or their girlfriends or some nurse or something that they know inject them with testosterone, right? And so they just do that, but they never do it themselves. And it's like, dude, you gotta learn to do this yourself. But that's the barrier of entry. The barrier of entry is like, if I have to inject myself, I'm not gonna do it, or I love injecting myself, because once you've learned how to do it, a lot of people just wake up in the morning and it's part of like, and especially with these pens and whatnot, and you're not getting these huge needles, you're getting these tiny little like pinpricks. Dude, I woke up this morning in my hotel, and I injected myself four times with my four pens. I took, and I read a true tide, microdose, I took my melanotan one to maintain my tan, and to increase my consciousness through this amazing podcast. What else did I take? I took my growth hormone, which I always take, and then what was the other one that I took? Oh, false that. So, and again, I wish I should have brought some of them to show you, because they're literally so microscopic, you could go like that, you could go like that, you can't feel it, you literally can't feel it, and then you just push the thing and you're done. Let's talk about longevity. And I guess anti-aging would fall into this as well. Like I noticed that some of these, some of these like go into different categories. Like I've seen it in everything so far, but specific anti-aging, what would be the, how do they work, what do they do, and what are the best ones? Yeah, for sure. So, when you're using the anti-aging, you're looking at like the longevity ones. There's like three or four that are primary ones, and they're technically peptides and by-regulators. So the first one, the most well-known and the ones that most people have heard of, or maybe even used is called epithelon. Now epithelon is the actual telomerase extending bioregulator slash peptide. And so people will take that for 10 days in a row, like twice a year, depending on their age, and it literally improves telomerase expression in cells. So it will literally shorten, excuse me, it'll prevent shortening of your telomeres as you get older, which is obviously the number one reason for people to age. Now you can combine that bioregulator slash peptide with another one called thymolin, and to understand how that works, the thymus gland, as we get older, is what regulates basically our biological age. And most people's thymus gland stops, I won't call it stops functioning, but now functions and cessates into their mid to late 40s. So it's theorized, it's probably not theorized, because again, the Russians have researched on it, that if you use thymolin and epithelon together, you will extend the life of your thymus gland, which again is responsible for all sorts of all, call all systems health in the body. So you would do the same thing. So what most people do when they dose those two, is they take 10 days in a row of one day epithelon, next day thymolin epithelon. So it's every other day you're using one of them. And again, depending on your age, and most people it's recommended to start at like 40 or 45, you would take two courses over the year. And again, a course is 10 days. So it's like 20 days. And we haven't talked about this, but bioregulator is your cheap, bro. They're 39 bucks for a box, right? So it's not even expensive, super cheap, right? So and again, we sell these, you can't keep them in stock right now. I mean, people buy, I'm anti-aging people, longevity people, people that are into like living long, extending their life or buying them left and right, but it's not expensive. Like if you compare bioregulators to peptides, you're looking at usually like a one to four or one to five cost difference. Or a monster asherage for, oh yeah, yeah. And this is from research. We're talking about compounded, it's one to 15 X, right? Because again, doctors got to make their money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Of course, of course, yeah. What about, okay, so there's a couple other ones here. So ones that I haven't heard you speak about would be SS31 or GHK CU. Okay, so both amazing peptides. So SS31 is also a mitochondrial optimizing peptide. It's interesting though, because we are learning more and more about SS31, literally, I would say by the day, by the week. I started using SS31 regularly and religiously, and I want to say in April of last year. And the best way to talk about SS31 is it's an amplifier peptide. So everything that you're doing, again, provided you're doing the right things, it amplifies it. So it improves like Androgen receptor sensitivity. So if you're using therapeutic testosterone, you can use less and it makes it more potentious. It potentiates it, makes it more efficacious. It also enhances your fat loss peptides. It just, like I said, it's one of those peptides where you take it like every other day, and it makes everything feel better. The other peptide that you mentioned is like what I call the sham wild peptide. So copper peptide GHK CU has so many applications. Women put it as a transdermal solution on the face to improve skin quality, eliminate fine lines and wrinkles. You can also inject it like so if you're a woman, then you've had work done on your face, whether it's like laser treatment or Botox or anything like that, like injecting small amounts or surgically precise amounts to actually get the skin more healthy, improve collagen synthesis. It's an amazing peptide. It can also be used to heal wounds and to eliminate scars. So like if you have, like for example, I just had a minute minute of skin cancer. This is only seven days old. And I was a pretty deep cancer removed. I've been using GHK CU, dude. And it's already, it's already clearing host on. That's insane. How long will we, I had this removed when I was in Texas. I'm in Texas. When I was in Mexico, I had my dermatologist down there remove it. And it was, what's today? Today's Thursday. So it was, it was done on the day before. So it's been eight days, that's what it was. And that was a deep surgical seven-stitch wound. And look at that, it's almost gone now from putting it. Insane. Yeah. So I mean, you can put it on. And by the way, once it's completely healed, I'll continue to put it on. And you don't literally get rid of the scar. Yeah. It's amazing because it's like a purplish blue powder. And whether it's transdormal or it's injectable, and it looks really cool. So it's almost like translucent when you put on your skin. But it absorbs to, to, to, to, or level of melanin. But it is a Zora, a small little scar. That would take care of that. No problem. That's a big, that's a big, yeah. Dude, I'm serious. When this is all healed, and that would be probably like two or three weeks from now, they're probably won't be a scar. It'll probably be just a tiny line. Wow. I, when I had my gynecomastia surgery in 2023, and they removed a lot of glandular tissue from here. Anybody who has gynecomastia has a lot of glandular tissue. If it gets done right, the scar was like from here to here. I don't even have scar anymore. And I used GHKCU for literally 10 days after, after the surgery, and it's gone. There's nothing. You can't even see the scar. These are ridiculously powerful, ridiculously powerful. Yes, and not enough people understand or know about them yet. But obviously, people like you and me are bringing this to more people. Are any of these patented? So some are. Because I mean, like I'm thinking about like, who makes money off of this stuff? Because what do you have now for scar? We gotta say it. So the FDA, the FDA of course, makes money off of the patented peptides, and the reason that they don't want, I wouldn't say me and my company, but compounded other peptides that can't be patented out there is because I can't make money off of them. So they're constantly regulating them, right? So we have to say what they did. We didn't talk about this, but in September of 2023, they passed this classification known as class two, and class two classified, and I could be wrong on this. But somewhere between 27 and 32 peptides that are the most used peptides by the clinical space and the research space as being potentially unsafe and harmful, which is total BS, which all the compound pharmacies that made them in mass quantities and were obviously prescribing them through their clinicians, fought them and sued them. And so there's just getting this back and forth, non-stop utter nonsense. But again, anyone who's used any of those peptides knows they're not uns... Why would they do that and set the, but why can't they make money? Why? Because they can't patent. And that's it. That's a hundred percent. So again, there's, and again, I could be wrong if somebody can fact-trick me on this, but there's like 12 peptides that are FDA-approved and all of them, they make a fortune on it. Is that all right? We're gonna get to GLPs, right? We'll get to GLPs. I told you about Monjaro, four billion last year. Just Monjaro, that's how much they made all of it, right? So like, we'll eventually get to a place where I would assume, again, and maybe, you know, shot out the RFK, he just got confirmed. But if he isn't able to pull back the restrictive policies of the FDA and all this pay for play, like with Big Pharma, I would assume that we'll eventually get to a place where there won't be any peptides legal from a compounded standpoint unless their FDA approved. Because if they can't make money, they don't want people out there using them. And again, and this is not conspiracy, well, you already know this, it don't want health. Sickness and disease is what makes money. Well, even if you look at other sort of medical treatments that aren't approved in the US, I mean, if you want stem cell treatment, don't you have to go to Panama or something like Mexico, Mexico, Costa Rica, that's a joke. And then there's also, I mean, now you have the ketamine clinics in the US, but the natural version where you take like the medicinal clamp aid, I don't think that's allowed in the US. You got to go to Mexico. There's one, and I know the guy that owns it, there's like, there's a, in a course, it's a church. Yeah, and Colorado, they just got their license to be able to legally do it. So you can go there on a retreat and get ketamine and get plant medicine and theogens and stuff like that. And it's technically legal, but they had to go through, I know the owner, they had to jump through all these hoops, dude, just to get official, you know, it's like essentially you're on indigenous spiritual property, you know what I mean? So it's like, it's so insane, dude. But yeah, I mean, all that is true. I mean, this country and hopefully things are changing. Again, Maha, if it is God for, I mean, God help all of us then thankfully, but the bottom line is they don't want health here. We have not had health here. We have what they want, sickness and disease, because sickness and disease is what makes money. Just like Chris Rock said, the money is not in the cure, the money's in the medicine. They don't want people healthy. And peptides, while we're talking about it, treat the fundamental root cause as do by regulators of disease and sickness. So you can hear someone who changes their lifestyle while they're taking those things, but you're never going to do that with with like pharmac medicines, because you have spandids. You know, it's wild to me, just if you think about other, other things that people try and solve, like cancer obviously, right? And you always, in the past year or year and a half, I've seen a couple headlines around a group that supposedly cure cancer. Yeah, but then it's 100% curable, but then it just disappears, of course. So, which is wild to me, isn't that like that? This shouldn't that be like on the news up here. This right now, Finn Benaz, all I can never pronounce that word, an Ivermectin together, cure cancer. There's a doctor on Twitter right now, his name is William Maccus. You can look this guy up. He is curing cancer left and right. They can't suppress him now. I mean, he's using those two drugs, which again, are garden variety drugs, Ivermectin during COVID and Finn baths as well. And they're basically like, they're mold suppressors, and then they're also like, they get rid of toxic conditions in the human body. You have to take high doses of them, but evidently, they are finding out, and this isn't applied to all cancers, but majority of cancers are ontological mutations of the cell, right? And so, an ontological mutation of the cell can actually be overturned by getting rid of the toxins from that mutation. And so, both of these drugs together work in combination to get rid of the toxins, bro. Guys are curing their prostate cancer, women are curing their breast cancer from it. I mean, so again, it seems William Maccus, but I would say within the next year, that's gonna be the number one treatment. People who refuse chemotherapy, and are like, I don't want my body, because as you know, chemotherapy literally toxifies the body. It supposedly kills the bad cells, but it also kills your good cells. So why would you do something like that when you can just do this, which only targets the mutations? What's wild to me is that there's not more research into it. Well, dude, there is, they just suppress. I know they suppress it, because again, even if you look at, if you look at new cycles, it'll pop up for a second, gone. And then it's gone. That's weird. That's weird when somebody says they, because if they didn't cure cancer, for example, say, let's play devil's advocate, say that their solution was garbage. You shouldn't they be like a strong up and indicted and put in jail for, you know. I mean, look, let's give props to Elon Musk and acts at this point, because in the last year, acts has become now this place where you can read anything. There's no suppression. Sure, they attempt to suppress things in other places, but like right now on axis, the wild won't less. And that information is out there, and I'll tell you this right now, like, I mean, I don't want to rob too much, but cancer, you've got to change your body's alkalinity, and then you've got to use these drugs that they're all talking about now. And a lot of them regard in variety drugs that will attack the mutation and not kill the healthy cells, which is what they've always focused on in killing cancer. And so I mean, you know, just keep it therapy work and obviously some people it does and has, but is it the best strategy? No. So seeing like people have some sort of proof that switching up your diet, ketogenic diet hasn't that limited exactly. Change your body's alkalinity. But like, listen, there's a small cancer scare in my family, and the doctor that the person is speaking to, like there's not even a conversation about diet. No, not even a, not even like a, not even a conversation about, okay, if you're gonna do chemo, let's do chemo, but maybe also be a little bit smarter about your diet. Like how does it have, how does it hurt? J.W. Is what actually exacerbates tumors? We now know that sugar from the diet, which again is normal everyday, Joe public and Cindy public, that's what they eat is sugar. Exacerbates the ontological mutations. So it's like we have to change the alkalinity of our body. We can go keto, we can do high fat, central fats, we can do Mediterranean. There's a lot of different things to do. In addition to now taking the bandazol and Ivermectin to overload the body's toxin, but my biggest issue is doctors won't even say, hey, I'm gonna put you on, I'm gonna put you on the approved routine of chemo, but let's also do these other things have the best possible chance of success. It is the worst part about that, which is hilarious, is like going to a hospital with somebody who's undergoing chemo and they do all that stuff and then they go down to the cafeteria and the hospital and look at the food they eat. Oh, he's in. I know. Cheer poison or a whole thing is a sham. Absolute garbage. Yes. Sorry. What do you think made your body a toxic place in the first place? It's a food. Okay, back to pet pee. Cognitive, enhancement and focus. So what are some of the ones that you like the best? So, neutropic peptides is what they're known as. Let's just talk about the ones I don't care for that much although they do provide value, dihexa, CMax and that's one of my slank. So, dihexa and again, for me, the gradient is, how do these neutropic peptides compare to metaphanel, which you and I was familiar with, right? Metaphanel. Explain what tradition on the tropics. So I would say that when somebody goes down this journey, in college, you're taking a whole bunch of adderol to stay up and do, and then in Canada, Ritalin was very popular as well, which is like a dirtier version of adderol. But net, yeah, yeah, and then you grow up and you realize that all this shit is garbage because you feel like shit. And maybe you passed one test, but then you start to learn about metaphanel and price tams and race tams. And these are kind of like the limitless, Bradley Cooper drug. Yes, and that's well said and well put. And that's kind of like where people, the origin of neutropics, where they would start not path. And again, you know, I have a funny story. I'm not going to tell up to this podcast. So like when I first got exposed to adderol and this is going back like 22 years ago. And I was like, whoa, I took like a 30 milligram extending release and I may have been partying previous to that. And so like it was like my serotonin was at a low and then I also injected back up and I was like, wow, but but the bottom line is adderol is poison. It's literally a synthetic form of meth. They give it to kids, you know, like you said, young high school and college kids in a melted brain. I mean, my god, I can't even get into like how bad it's for you long term. But the neutropic peptides in comparison to metaphanel with both of us agree that metaphanel is probably the strongest neutropic that we've ever taken. But it also has nasty side effects, causes headaches, has come down. I would say that dihexa is the closest, but you have to take a high dose. And as we've talked about on this podcast already, what goes up must come down, right? So you don't want to get addicted to taking high dose neutropic peptides because again, it's going to stimulate your brain. And your brain is going to be wanting to be at that level and you don't want your brain to be that level all the time. The other ones again, C-Marx and Selenck, don't notice as much as I do with dihexa. But again, everybody's different. Some people notice a decent, if not a strong, cognitive improvement or just enhanced focus on all three of those and out much lower doses. But again, for me, what I compared to metaphanel, I just have never noticed them, so I stopped taking them. There's one that we do want to mention, it's technically not a neutropic, but we talked about it off air, Tessa Fancy, right? Which is known as Tessa. That's the one that enhances brain-derived neurotropic factor. That's the one that people like us, creators, people that live in the creative realms, like it's an amazing, it's an oral. Then again, it's not a peptide, although it's sold as a peptide, it's a small molecule. You take it and it enhances well-being and improves flow state within an hour of taking it. And it's noticeable. And I would say the best part about it for most people, if not all people, it doesn't cause receptor attenuation and you don't have a cold, you can cold turkey come off of it and there's no. There's no condit diets. There's no calm down, there's no withdrawal. The only issue with that drug is, and again, this is my pet theory, is that if you were a person that was on SSRIs, because some depression, mood doctor, psychiatrists put you on them when you were younger, in some of those people, it makes them unable to sleep. They still feel amazing on it, but they're unable to sleep. So you have to take a very low dose of that product, and right now the ones that are available are 250 milligrams and 500 milligrams. So I would tell anybody who's used SSRIs in their past, start very low with that product, but that's my favorite of neutropic peptides. And again, it's technically before somebody calls me out, it's not a peptide, it's a small molecule, but it's a really, really powerful drug. So you can take it every single day of the week if you want. So here's the deal. I took it for an entire year straight at 250 milligrams and I was like, wow, this is great. But like everybody, I don't want to be addicted to something. I wasn't addicted to it because you could come off of it, but I don't want to be relying on it. So now I use it for things like this, which I took, as I told you, I took it yesterday, and I'm now I'm taking it today because I wanted to be there, and I wanted to be super lit and super on it. And so I take it to 50. But like, for example, I'm not gonna do another podcast, we're probably a couple of weeks, I probably won't take another one. Do you notice when you take it like your recalls a little bit better? It's amazing, everything, yes. I should have brought you a couple today, so I could have given you one, say, all right, nice son. You're gonna maybe see if I leave there on Miami, I'll give you some. I was actually thinking about that this morning on my podcast, but then I forgot, I mean, on my cardio, and then I forgot to bring it to you. You look good. It's all good. It's really, really powerful. I think that's the biggest thing with creators, and especially people that, in this audience, in particular, like people that are always on high performance people that have to show up cognitively. And they want something, it gives them like a little bit of an extra boost. Even if you look at Joe Rogan, and I think you took an equity position in on it from non-missing. I don't know how good it is, it's never used to it. Yeah, but those things, all those, I've used them all, the qualia and on it. They're all mild compared to, like, new tropics. But again, we've talked about this, like all new tropics, if you abuse them, which is using them all the time, I shouldn't say all, because Teso doesn't, but the majority of them will cause receptor attenuation and will cause burnout. And you don't want that, right? So it's like, you use these when you have to, but not when you want to. You know what I'm saying? It's not like every single day you wake up and you're like, oh, I'm gonna pop these. And if you compare it to coffee or caffeine, you know, I think we kind of mentioned this off air, but like, again, Sean Wells is now doing a lot of stuff with the analogs or the alcohol woods of caffeine. And so now they have paraxanthine. And some of these others are just, teocrains been around for like three or four years. These are all similar to what caffeine does, but with the less harmful agents of the withdrawal and the addictive qualities of caffeine. So you'll be seeing a lot more of those coming to the marketplace, which I think is actually good for humanity, because as you know, as great as caffeine has been, and my dad would always say, caffeine was the great industrial driver of the, you know, the industrial revolution, but we also know the caffeine is bad, bro. I mean, caffeine addiction is really bad. It screws up thyroid, it screws up your adrenal glands, it screws up sleep. I mean, long-term caffeine addictions are not good. Do you drink coffee at all? I don't drink any coffee. I do carry, you know, those little meow electrolyte energies, sometimes self-throw it in, like water to do it. You don't take a pre-workout before you work out? I don't do that, I know, I don't do a pre-workout. Like my pre-workout is sea owls at two and a half milligrams, right? So we haven't really talked about that, but sea owls is obviously a very powerful endothelial function and hamster, because it improves nitric oxide to the penis, right? But improving nitric oxide to the penis, it also improves nitric oxide to the vascular networks, which is good, right? You want less thunk in your vascular networks. So that's actually at a very surgically precise dose of anywhere from two and a half to five milligrams. In addition to the improved sexual function, hardening of the penis, it also improves nitric. Really, I've never, I didn't know you could do that. Oh yeah, no, that's actually next to metformin. That's probably the second most important anti-aging drug to take a micro-dose of sea owls. Really? Yes. It's that power. Yeah, I'll send you an article we wrote about it, like the 6 or 7,000 word article, but there's massive amounts of research on that, God. Amazing. OK, let's talk about autoimmune. Sure. So autoimmune is probably the most, I would say it's probably the most diagnosed disease in the world now. And this is all stemming from COVID, right? Like a lot of people who A got COVID, or A got that, or B got vaccine, or C got both, I have autoimmune dysregulation now. Women especially, right? It's become like a, I would call it a scarlet letter slash red badge of error to get an autoimmune diagnosis. And a lot of women will get like, can, you know, I have this and this and this and this. And it's like, the reality is, is the autoimmune is something not working with the mitochondria of the body, right? Just functional mitochondria. And again, there's so many different, there's crones, there's lupus, there's Epstein bar. I mean, I can go on, there's so many of them. And again, these things have exploded Scott since COVID, since the VAX, right? So basically, if you optimize the mitochondria, if you use the healing peptides, if you use the antimicrobials, like the LL37s, and again, you use them in surgically precise dosages, and you use them in combination, you can literally, again, assuming the people are willing to do the things also necessary as the baselines, you can reverse a lot of autoimmune diseases with peptides. Not like, I wouldn't say like, you know, you take a person who's got severe autoimmune dysregulation, and you give them peptides sac for a month, where they're not going to have it, but you can probably get them back to about 80 to 90% of what. And if you combine that with good diet, too, 100% cure. Yeah, 100% cure. What is it, Jordan Peterson, said he cured a lot of his autoimmune with like a carnivore diet? John was saying. Which is, again, the best way to describe that is, they change their body's alcohol underneath, right? So they went from like acidic sugar based to a meat based, or food, you know, animal prozoids. It's always like, it's, it's not just one thing. It's like, you're doing all the things. So people can't be looking for these bandages. You're not magic bullets. Night of the stuff we talked about in this podcast or magic bullets without lifestyle intervention. Yeah, yeah, okay. What's the last gut health is important. Everyone keeps complaining about gut health. So all the time. Yeah, so gut, so gut, I love talking about gut health because BPC 157 is also great. You can take an oral capsule, an arginine salt formation or formulation of BPC 57 helps with the gut. But the number one drug to help with the gut is metformin. In fact, metformin is the number one anti-aging drug of all time. It's in the tame trial right now, which again, is Neal Barsalize of very famous Israeli anti-aging researcher. And they're probably a year or two away from coming out where now the whole world will know about metformin, right? And it's always been blocked because most people in medical school were taught that it caused lactic acidosis and kidney problems. So they would never prescribe it to people who really truly need it for longevity purposes. And I think I told you off air, a very famous doctor that you know what I know, but he won't ever allow me to tell this, to say this because he doesn't want to get in trouble, said that if metformin and growth hormone were in the water supply, there would be no hospitals. He told me that in 2014, because that's how powerful they are, right? So metformin is suppressing systemic inflammation. It's upregulating acrimoncy and musyllis in the microbiome. So you can not get sick if you are on a 500 milligram or 250 if you're a woman, you know, bid twice a day, dosage of metformin. There's studies, probably a hundred plus, that show that during COVID, people that were on metformin didn't get COVID because it literally makes your immune system impervious to that kind of stuff, right? Dude, I've been on metformin for 20 years. My biological age is somewhere in like the mid to low, I wouldn't say low, mid to high 20s. And again, there's three different companies testing. You know, you've got glycon age, you've got true diagnostic, which is my good friend. None, just as mentioned this for a second. None of the diagnostic, I mean, excuse me, the biological age testing companies are ready for prime time. There's issues with them and all the owners and the people involved in the companies will tell you that right now the algorithms are still being worked and perfected and stuff like that. And they also don't have enough data, right? They don't have enough people doing these tests because I've seen people that have taken them who are in super, absolutely amazing fit bodies and shape and don't do any kind of drugs or alcohol and they get like high levels. And they're like, this is impossible and complain and then they redo the testing and tests like 27 years or 30 years younger than what was the first time. So there's issues with it, but my guess is, I mean, I still love all of that. I feel that within five to seven years, biological age testing will be perfected and it will be at a point where we can rely, we can feasibly rely on the actual scores that we're receiving. When they do those testing, there's a variety of different factors they take into consideration. But it's, I mean, it's mostly just a practice so they're just looking at your blood levels and looking at what's going on in the cells and looking at what's technically in your DNA. But I guess it's not ready for... 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That's get.stash.com slash success story paid non-client endorsement, not representative of all clients and not a guarantee investment advisory services offered by Stash Investments LLC and SEC registered investment advisor investing involves risks and investments may lose value, offer a subject to tees and seas. Yeah, okay. Heart health. Heart health. Heart is obviously critically, critically important as we get older. There is a bio-regulator called... I got cardiogen. Cardiogen. Yeah, I figured that was it. Yeah, because the other ones I recognize. So some of these are also like there's SS31 from mitochondria, BPC 157 for vascular cardio repair. Sorry, red at true tide, which we'll talk about in a second, but that's I know it's GLP and then cardiogen. Yeah, so cardiogen is a oral peptide bi-regulator against small chain, small continually chain and it's got, there's a lot of people using it. People that have ventricular issues, people with aortic valve issues, people that have had stents put in their hearts, there were dumpster fires not taking care of themselves, it has been shown to strengthen cardiac tissue. So it literally is, you know, again, 10 days of, 10 days in a row, twice a year, it will strengthen the heart, it will strengthen the bowel amount of time. Yeah, I mean, I'm talking to you, these things are profound. And not enough people know about them yet, because a lot of more people know about peptides injectable, but bio-regulators are such new Johnny come lately on the scene that not enough people know about them. You know, we're actually going to be, I would say bio longevity labs, our company, we're going to be probably doing the great majority of education of the planet of them, because like our whole next 12 to 15 months are about telling people about bio-regulators. Research, is the bio-hacking community, are they not jumping on this stuff, the bio-regulator? So here's the thing, they are, but the truth behind bio-regulators, if you're not connected, it's hard to get involved because they still come from Russia. So Dr. Victor Kavinson, who's the father of bio-regulators, and again, there's research conducts 60 plus years in Russia, they use these things that are like sold over the counter. He put a bunch of patents on them and so they never were available in the West. As of basically something, and nobody really knows truly, but at the end of 2023, in the Ukraine, Russia, US, debacle, whatever the hell that is, really, all of a sudden, bi-regulars start showing up on Amazon. And this is in January of 2024, and they were always blocked. You could never get them in the United States due to the patents, but all my formulator guys and my bio-chemist nerd research guys would always tell me the bio-regulators are broke, they're amazing, but we can't get them here, and then they just started showing up. So the problem still is supply chain. They're manufactured in Russia at the Kavinson Institute and whatever his manufacturing capabilities are, but his son, excuse me, Kavinson died in December of 2023, the father, and now his son is making eels with various companies, some guys in Amsterdam, the guys that own profound health or anti-aging systems, which is another big offshore or pharmacy that is now getting involved. And so now there's more and more people getting involved in the manufacturing home. So you'll see them, I would assume like in the next six to eight to 12, 15, two years, become much more ubiquitous and much more mainstream because of their facts. But right now, there's not enough people in the bio-hacking space getting involved in it, because it's just too tough to get in. Exactly, it's too tough to get into the supply chain. Does the US government care about these being shipped in? I think they do, based on my experience and my personal involvement with them, because last year I was involved in selling a bioregulator cream, that's a healing cream, that we haven't even talked about, which we should, that is the most profound, trans-Normal healing product that I've ever seen. You can't use it on wounds, but you can use it on strains and sprains because it absorbs really, really quick, and it heals overnight. I mean, like you, injury or knee, doing debts or squats or something like that, you have a twinge in there, you rub the cream on the next day, so it's completely healed. No, I mean, it's incredible. And again, it's like five different bio-regulators that synergistically work together. So the answer is, I don't know, the jury's out. I do know this, they have labeled them as supplements. So anybody can sell them, there's no restrictions. That's why they're on Amazon. They're not considered drugs, they're not considered medications, or literally considered supplements, but I mean, the Russians would tell you they're medications and the way they work. And again, they're tissue specific. It depends on how the regulatory body views them. 100%. All I know is, and again, I say this to people when they laugh, they're like, that's BS, jaceful shit, but they don't have side effects. They don't have side effects. Like you take them, they work specific on the organ system or the biological system that they target. There's a bio-regulator for the heart, kidneys, the thymus gland, the brain, the prostate, the ovaries and women, the testicles. I mean, there's just, it's incredible, right? So it's just, it's giving that information out to more people so that they can take them. It's like I told you Scott, they're not expensive. The average person can afford it. Last category before GLP's sexual health. So sexual health, primary two peptides, most known, and I'll mention two bio-regulators, are PT-141, which is an erectile, enhancing, it's really actually a melanin cord toy receptor complex peptide. Here's the problem with that drug. 40% of people are non-responders. We did not know this when that peptide first came into the market and the underground back in like 2008 and 2009 and very truthfully, because I heard so many great things about it. It never worked for me. And I was like, dude, what's going on? You know, I was like, you scamming me. But then about 2016, 2017, we started realizing that people were non-responders to it. Truthfully, I'm a complete non-responder to it. I'd used it like four times in my life now. It does not work for me for women that are non-responders and take it, they get sick. And what I mean by sick, I don't want people to freak out, but they get nauseous, and usually they have like vertigo, and they have to go to sleep there a couple hours, because it's don't feel good. They get like that dry heating effect. But for those people that it works, bro, it's incredible. I mean, a man can maintain an erection, like they're six hours straight, they can come three or four times, shorten a refractory period, it's insane. If you respond. If you respond, and for women, they also have a heightened sexual response to it too. The other one to mention is oxytocin, which I think most of your audience knows what oxytocin is. It's responsible for pair bonding. It's that kind of neuroendocrine hormone that is released during times of love and intimacy. So if you inject it, you get that same feeling. Now in some people, depending on what's in their stomach, what's in their small intestine, they may not get the same effect. But if you inject it usually in the morning on a fasted empty stomach, and you want to be intimate with your partner, it's pretty awesome. The other two to mention are bioregulators, and there's one called femy male, and male, I forget the name of it, that we sell both of them. And those are great for like perimenopausal women, and also older men, whose sexual function is declining, because basically it works on the prostate, it works on the testes, for females that works on the ovaries. So it's like, it's basically just like again, just consider it like an overall enhancement to sexual function. And those are oral capsules, by the way. So again, you don't have to worry about the needle, if that's a concern with these. When you look at all the new peptides, because obviously these are the ones that you've used yourself or you actually sell, when you look at all the peptides that are, now I'm sure there's ones that you haven't mentioned that are sort of very, very, very new that are not sort of proven out. I'm sure yeah, I have no doubt. What's the way to figure out if they're gonna be helpful, harmful, if there's no longterm studies on them, what could be the worst possible scenario with a peptide? Like how could it impact you in a negative way? I mean, it's hard to know. I mean, again, I don't know, because I'm asking the question that somebody is listening to this. Yeah, no, that's a great question. I mean, it's like anything in life. Like I've been personally using them now for close to 21 years. I started in 2004. I had nothing but success. I've never had any horrible negative side effects. Obviously my biological age is a lot younger than what I am. I'm almost 54 years old. I'm in great help. I'm in better as I told you, which we get to in GLP's in a second. My biomarkers are better than they've ever been in my life, even when I was in my early 20s, right? So all things being equal, I'm improving both from a biological age standpoint and then also just a physical performance standpoint. So I would just say like, we don't know the longterm effects of anything, right? 20 years. 20 years. Yeah. It's a lot of time. But the truth is, to be honest, we don't know. But we know that there are biological, organic molecules that are formed in nature and in our bodies naturally. So what is the potential harm compared, if we compare them to, again, Rockefeller, petroleum distillate, big pharma medications, which are not natural and not naturally occurring, right? So like if you're going to compare and contrast, I would definitely put my money on peptides and by regulators long-term that I would those drugs. Are there some that sort of arousal, you don't sell them, but arousal that are actually dangerous? You know, again, Tim Ferriss, the difference between a pill and a poison is the dosage. I think there's none that are like, don't take this. No, no, no. I mean, but the thing is, it's like, again, you have to be judicious. Start low goes slow, assess your tolerance, how do you respond? What happens? Don't start taking high dosages. For example, fluke. There were people out there messaging me all over the world who were taking 500 times the dosage level. Because they're retarded, bro. More must be better, right? Super size me. Pick your stomach faster. You know what I mean? So it's like, if you're not smart with what you're doing, is the risk of course. If you take too many aspirin or motrin or ibuprofen, you can fuck up your kidneys. So it's again, be judicious in how you use these things, but I have not seen anything that would like tell me like, oh, there's super risk. Okay, let's talk about GLPs. For sure. So started off with ozempic and now we have minjarro and now there's other ones as well. But what should people know about GLPs? Because there's also a lot of, no, I see some negative. I see. It's more negative propaganda than there is positive. I just saw on Twitter, somebody, it was a trending news article, you know, on the right side of Twitter, you see all the trending stuff. And it said that people taking minjarro, it tries to epitide, some of them went blind. Yeah. Because of blood vessels. It leads. So there's a lot to unpack. So to start off, GLPs have been around since 2008, which is insane to think about it because most people don't know what a GLP was until the last couple of years. But they've been around since 2008 and they're very rudimentary phase. They were used in obese people and type two diabetics, even then when they were very, very rudimentary and crude, as far as their original format, they still work. They still, I mean, by defined work, it was the lowered peoples A1C, they improved blood glucose regulation. And ultimately, if those people change their diet and lived insulin control, they lost body fat, right? And again, this is way before what we have now. Now, fast forward to now. And as you and I have already talked, the average person today is so fucking lazy, bro. They want the lowest action, common denominator, how can I get away with doing the least amount of work, right? So take that attitude, that mindset, and then realize that the average doctor prescribing a GLP is not even, doesn't even know what they're doing, right? They go to a weekend class, a farm rep comes in, and says, hey, you can make an extra 30 grand a month if you promote ozemic, right? So like, these are people, again, the doctors who are doing their best, I understand, who don't understand how to prescribe them. They're not giving the patient slash the person, the actual, you know, methodologies, which we'll get to of like, how do you make GLPs work? And so then what happens is, and again, remember these people are obese, they're all insulin resistant, metabolically deranged, they start taking them, and the weight comes off because they're not eating, they're not stopping their pie holding more, it suppresses their appetite, especially where go we. And three weeks go by and they've lost like 60 pounds. But what they don't realize by not eating enough protein, by not exercising, by not doing resistance training, they've now damaged their thyroid, they've damaged their body's ability to be in a positive nitrogen state because they're not getting enough protein. So dude, four weeks now they're in, their doctor has been titrating the dosage higher and higher and higher because as we've said, or as I said, at various points in this podcast, big pharma motto is start high, go higher. Met more money. Exactly. And again, it's it's synergistic thing, right? Because the doc makes more money and big pharma makes more money, right? So like they're both incentivized to give more. So at four weeks in, giving more, now the person is like at a crossroads because a, the doctors are like, well, yeah, but guess what now you're, now you're monthly dose is just gonna be $4,000. Or $3,500 or whatever it is. And so they're like, oh, fuck, I can't afford this. And so they come off. And now they're in a shit, they're in, in shit to build. Because the damage with thyroid, they have caused muscle loss and now rebound. So the resting metabolism is also lower. Everything is damaged. Now the rebound weight gain comes. These people are now taking to the streets, to the airwaves, to social media. And they're gonna start telling everybody how bad it was for them, right? Now the truth Scott is those same people have issues with their eye. They have issues with their gold bladder. They have issues with their thyroid. They have all these, you know, will go be faced, because I'll be next. I'll go be bow on woman who was taking it, who was already super skinny. And she was taking it just for probably doctor recommended dosing, but to probably not have the food noise and the hunger pains. And then she doesn't work out, doesn't have a good diet. And then she tried to even eat for three weeks. She broke, she had no bone density. Yeah, exactly. So all this happens. And the, again, I won't mention the name, I could, but some of the famous celebrity doctors glum onto it and they start saying, see, we told you so. These are bad for you long term. Don't use them. They all cause muscle loss, blah, blah, blah. And so it just gets to this point where it's just like signal noise ratio. We're back to signal noise ratio. The noise is so high, it's negative. It drowns out all the positivity, but the positivity, which we'll eventually get to, is really what makes these drugs, the wonderkin drugs that they are. They're, as I've said, they are the single greatest medical intervention since penicillin. And I would say that within two years, they will be bigger than that. They're already the highest profit, most sold, most procured drugs in the history of medicine. So obviously, there's good and bad with it. But the truth is, is that to get to like, how do we use these things? And how do we use these things so that they are beneficial and positive for anyone, regardless if you're a dumpster fire, or you're someone like you and I, or a woman like you and I that wants to just eliminate food noise. So this is how we use them. We first off start low and go slow. We microdose these drugs, which you're never going to hear from pharma, or from most of the doctors. Now, there's a ton of doctors that you're microdosing them now, because I know how the average is, take it once a week. You have to see average advice. That's 90% of prescribed. We want to get it towards 80%, right? We're 20% of people are doing this right. It's a Pareto principle. But the thing is, is that for the guys and the docs and the people that are doing this right, they start with a microdose. And by the way, we have to say this, semagletide, which is wugovii, is completely useless at this point. It's a one-stage agonist. There's either a clasp on a single dual or triple. The single-stage agonist, which again, is wugovii, or semagletide, is just suppressing, it's just suppressing appetite. Why would you want to just suppress your appetite when you can also use one that enhances your metabolism, which is your general overall purpose anyway, of losing body fat and improving insulin sensitivity, right? So for the people listening to this podcast right now, if you're using semagletide, slash wugovii, you shouldn't personally use it anymore. Some of these people are going to be like, but Jay, my script, is written for that. And I get a copay and a lower payment on it, because again, if they're classified as a type 2 diabetic, they're getting it to the system, which is broken. And so they're going to be like, I can't afford the other one because I don't have a script blah blah blah. But I'm just coming from a J Campbell expert status of like, what are you using the best? What's going to work the best? Terzapatide is FDA-approved, and that's Manjaro on Zep bound is now the miniature version of it. That is so much better than using wugovii. So again, if you're listening to this, and you're trying to understand like, what's GLP-1 to use? If you're going down the medical route, the compound route, you're trusting your doctor route, that's the one to use. I don't use the other one. But that one to go deeper, micro-dosing it every other day, or at least three days a week. So you would be a 2.5 milligrams is the standard dose for people that do it intelligently. Now again, most ox, they're starting heavy dumpster fire and flame fat people at like five and 10 milligrams, bro, which is like no bueno, bad bad bad. But you'll see that. But if your normal dose is 2.5 milligrams, then you would want to take 0.4 to 0.5 of that dose every other day, which would be like three days a week. And so now if you do the math, and I know most people can't math, the math doesn't math anymore, that would be like 1.25, which would be half the regular dose of 2.5, which would be the standard. So you have a 1.25 spread out. Oh, probably a week. That is, that is micro-dosing. That is much. So you wouldn't even hit the 2.5. You wouldn't even. And so why is this important? This is important because you're never destabilizing your receptor sensitivity to the drug. So you can stay on it for a long time. When you take two high dosages, again, the farmer recommended way, you destabilize and cause receptor attenuation. And four weeks in it does even work, unless you go way up. And then you get hooked, you can't afford it and all the negative things happen. So if we, if we micro-dose it, what else do we have to do in addition to micro-dosing? This is critically important stuff. We have to eat at least one gram of protein per pound of our goal body weight. The scientific answer is of our lean muscle mass, right? But the average person can't compute what their lean muscle mass is. So like, one of my smart friends was like, you know, just tell them it's their lean body goal weight, right? So if you're 280 pounds and you should be 220, then you're eating 220 grams of protein, right? If you're 190 and you should be 160, then you're eating 160, right? Easy math. Easy math. But from there, and this is even more important, dude, you cannot use a GLP-1 peptide and not lift weights because they're so effective at burning through fat and muscle that resistance training is the one thing that's going to prevent the muscle loss or the muscle adaptation. Now, even more important than lifting weights would be being hormonally optimized. A hundred percent. I always tell people this. And again, the smart doctors, again, shout out to Dr. Rudy Eberwarren, who's down here at MHI Miami. He's been doing these things since 2008. He's, in my course, he actually does a 90 minute lecture, bonus video in our course that he talks about everything you should know from like the highest level clinical side of things with GLPs. And he's very, very professional and very intelligent guy. But basically he says, trizapatide and testosterone are mandatory. He's like men and women, right? Because again, you've got the hormonal optimization, the anabolic signaling from testosterone, even in therapeutic surgically low with the osages, with trizapatide will enhance the fat loss, but you will prevent any kind of muscle contamination. And that is critically important, right? So just to recap, must eat enough protein, one gram of protein, propound of lean body weight or goal weight, should be, I won't say must, because obviously some people are hormonally optimized, but most people should look into be hormonally optimized. And then I would also say, in addition to the trizapatide GLP, a growth hormone and agus peptide that we talked about, right? So a TASA, an IPA, a CJC, or even a mitochondrial optimizing peptide, like a MOTC SS31 or even SLUPE, right? So all of those in combination with your GLP is going to cause the greatest metabolic adaptation and body composition modulation that you've ever had in your life. Like I said, I know people who aren't dumps or fires who are not metabolically deranged, who use a tiny, tiny dose of the trizapatide and we'll get to run a true tide in a second, and they've completely changed their bodies. They've gone back to like the best time of their lives, right? 50-year-old people who literally are now have a physique of a 25-year-old. The way that I think about it, because if people have not gone down this path and gone on this journey yet, they're gonna be like, well, why is it like my body enough? Why do I have to sort of enhance and optimize? Because you're fighting this losing battle, and the food that you eat and the environment that you live in is not the same food and environment that your parents and your grandparents were living. I hung up the phone with you last night. We went to Estica, and that was the biggest mistake ever. That food is so poisoned. That state was loaded. I even told them, do not put salt at all the crap preserved as he put on it. I came out and I couldn't even eat it, but my point is to your point, where everything's contaminated. You can't even go to a high-level steakhouse in South Beach and get something that's not contaminated to your food. So you're right. Like you're doing a GLP1 in a microdose to offset the damage that you must undergo. Everything is damaging you. Dude, everything. Yeah, that's my most true diet. It's the high job. 100% testosterone biggest tool in the tool belt. A GLP1, a microdose of a GLP1 right behind testosterone, and then add in a growth hormone agonist peptide or a mitochondrial agonist peptide. And those are your tools. Those are your 21st and 22nd century tools to offset the environmental degradation that Scott, you cannot avoid. I don't give a shit who you are unless you're living in a Faraday cage, not going outside. With your own farm or your own animals, your own... And by the way, the farm would have to be underground because you're still being hit from the shit they're dropping in the skies. It's true. It's scary. It's all true, dude. I mean, it's scary if you want to be scared of it, but obviously you have to intervene. What do you do? I agree. And I think that the argument is, well, we're living longer than ever. I'm like, but are you really living? No, are you really healthy? The average people, your families, their buddies are not living qualitatively. They are living... You're not, yeah. You're living long. But it's over 534, right? So imagine I'm 70 years old and I lift to 100. So basically the time that I've been on this earth, and part of it I only remember because I was a kid, time I've been on this earth, that's the amount of time I have to live with, like shitty hormones, no sex drive, can't go to the gym, can't go for a walk, no energy, everything hurts, my mind's going, the time I've been on this earth, that's how long I have to deal with that shit until I die. It's insane. But you don't. That's the exact... This is a fact. And I didn't know this and just found this out recently and I had to fact check this myself. In 2022, I'm sorry. Yeah, it was 22 and 23 men in Canada and the United States between 20 and 30, 50% of them did not have sex one time. 50% between 20 and 30 did not have sex one time. 20 and 30. The United sex one time. What's in it? That is what happened as to the 40. That's what I mean, who knows? But that is because, when you really look into this, that is because they jerk off the porn and they play video games. And these rewire the dopaminergic signaling pathways so the reward, behavior pathways are compromised. So why would you want a court of woman, right? Like why would you want to deal with a woman's inocionality when you can jerk off the porn three times a day and in your mind, that's the same thing. You and I both know it's not. Definitely not. But that's what they think, right? And then it's the same thing with video games, right? Like I can kill people in a video game and I can be like dominant or whatever. And so all that has changed the world. But if you realize that, the 50% of dudes between 20 and 30 are not having sex, then you realize that things are off. Which also hormones are depressed, testosterone is depressed, mental, everything is, again, what we're talking about is under attack. All of our systems, it's a full system. Our bodies under attack. Our life is under attacks, everything. And it all creates a super toxic environment. Yeah, hormones, but also then cost the living and then like everything. People are defeated. If you don't do what you and I are talking about in this podcast, it is highly likely to not live a life that is prosperous. And I mean, again, in my circles and your circles, I mean, we know so many people that are doing the things that we're doing now because again, it's mandatory. How if you don't, you're under siege? How do you offset living in a contaminated, full systemic assault environment? You can't. I mean, because of the show and just my network, I deal with a lot of people that have had massive success. And now everybody's everything you're talking about. This is what they do. This is what they're doing. Because they want, they want to live good lives. They want to live good life. But what's so funny is that it doesn't actually take a lot of money. No, it doesn't, dude. We'll get to that before the show is over. I want people to understand because that's what they ask. They're like, oh, you guys just make too much money. Those average people can't. Dude, everything that I'm talking about, if you take ownership of this, it doesn't cost $1,000 a month. Who can say they can't afford $1,000 a month? If you don't... That's what you're going to do. You're going to spend $1,000 on all the other bulls. On beer and lattes. I mean, the truth is, and again, I say this all the time, if you cannot spend $5,000 to $10,000 a year on your personal health regardless of your income level, your priorities are inverted. It's not because you don't have the money. It's because you don't have the responsibility to be proactive because you waste money in places that you're not paying attention. And you'll spend it more with health. I'll care. What does it care? I'll share whatever. That's the most important thing, right? Like, and again, that's a lecture that I do in my seminar in two weeks, but like, dude, if people understood what a myocardial infarction or heart attack would cost them, they would never not spend money on their health. Because one heart attack in 40, the average person would cost them $400,000 a month. Yeah. One heart attack. A second heart attack is medical bankruptcy. People don't understand this, dude, but this is the system that we're in. But if it's don't pay for that kind of stuff, those are acts of God and life interventions, and you don't understand, like, what happens if you have a life flight? What happens if you have a heart attack when you're driving down the road and you cause an accident, and now you have to be life flight? That's $600,000. It's the same. People don't understand it, but that's like, and on top of that, the insurance industry is designed to confuse the hell out of everybody, too. But if you live with a way that we're talking about on the show, you're not gonna have that happen. I mean, could it happen? Could a tragic accident occur, of course, but statistically, it won't happen to you. But I think that also if you're spending five to 10 grand a year on your health, you know what else you're doing? You're monitoring your health. And you're getting your bloods and you're getting your scans and you're getting your everything done because you care about it now. The people that are watching this show and the people that come on the show like me and others, we're spending probably 25 to 50, right? But any person can spend five to 10. And that's just the facts. But like, we'll get to that. We'll quantify what talking to all these things we're doing, but I'm telling you, dude, it's not $1,000. Yeah, I know, I know. And especially if you do it with not a company that's trying to take advantage of you. Which is 100% what you have to do and you obviously have to be really discerning and critical thinking to avoid those companies. So let's talk about red accrued tide. So red accrued tide is a Eli Lilly patented drug that is not yet FDA approved. It is expected to be FDA approved. It's a GLP one, of course. It's expected to be approved in, either late 2026 or at some point in early to mid 2027. Which is insane because it's been in the marketplace since 2023 in the research community, okay? Why is it the most amazing drug? And I'll just say it right now. Looking at the camera is the most amazing drug in the history of mankind. Because there's a triple stage GLP one agus, which means that it burns fat suppresses insulin and enhances mental productivity and rewires dopaminergic, serotonergic and dendritic pathways all for the positive, all for beneficial means. So what does that mean to somebody who doesn't understand anything that's sick? It means that you will be leaner, healthier and more energized if you use it. It's that profound. I've not met a single person who's used it. And by the way, there's less than 2% of the planet has used it because even the people, and let's just call them 10% of humanity that is using peptides, they are using medical provided or compound pharmacy provided peptides. And they're not allowed to make right or true tide yet because it's not FDA-approved, right? But the research community, which is what I'm involved in, bio-ungewy labs, and as you know, there's many other companies, buyer beware. That's been, it's been in the marketplace since July of 2023. So I have personally been using this product now for literally 18 months. When I first started taking it, like all biohacker ditty pigs, we didn't even know what the dosage was. The studies were in mortally obese diabetic people, and they were taking six milligrams a week. So I was like, oh, I'll just take three, right? Because I've been taking two or 1.5 or whatever with a terzaptide. And then when I took it, it enhanced my metabolism so much that I was revising the hungry. I was like, oh my god, this isn't gonna work. I mean, you felt hotter and more energized but it was like too much of a dosage. So I personally, that's actually not accomplishing what a lot of people are, which is the food and all this people, it's not good for. But for like a bodybuilder, which we'll get to that application is insane, right? Because it's anabolic. It's actually enhancing nutrient partitioning and collagen restoration. But the truth was is that we just didn't know like all these drugs, because it's in the experimental phase that we just had a microdose. So once we figured out that you microdose this thing, bro, it was game over. It was absolutely game over. Women are taking my wife, a lot of women I know, they're taking like 0.15 twice a week. So it kills, so it's powerful. Oh, it's insanely powerful, but it kills food noise. It completely changes the brain, again, the dendritic serotonergic and dopamine erotic pathology so that it only rewards, like there's no more craving shitty foods. There's no more emotional-based eating. You get sorry or sad like a woman who gets emotional during her say a period or a menstrual cycle. And she eats shitty foodstuffs, it eliminates that. So again, just a microdose for healthy women is going to eliminate food noise. It's going to change body composition. As I told you, shout out to Adam Lambert who owns Be the Wellness. He just talked to me yesterday in the morning. He's like, bro, or it was not yesterday, it was on Tuesday because I flew up yesterday to see you. But he was like, bro, we've been using this for three weeks and my wife's body has changed. And I think he's like in his early 40s, but he's like my body's, she looks like she's 28 again. It's in three weeks, in three weeks. And I'm like, dude, I told you, it changes everything. It's like I said, I mean, all I can say is the greatest drug ever invented. Sadly, it's not FDA approved yet. It will be, but there's no reason that anybody watching this show, and again, I'm sure there's hundreds of not thousands of people that watch this show that are already using it can't find it. We sell it. A lot of other research chemical companies sell it. It's not expensive. I mean, let's just talk about that. You can get a 10 milligram vile for under 200 bucks. What makes the price expensive or not? What compounders? Just compounders? Jack and the price up. And it's an Eli Lilly drug. So you can only imagine, especially with me being this undrained salesperson out there touting its capabilities. How much they're going to charge for it? My guess is when this drug is FDA approved, it will literally cost $5,000 a month to buy through compound pathways, which is a force, unless you get a script right because you're some diseased individual that they label you as, right? And even then, it's going to be $1,500 to $2,000, which is still out of the pockets for the average American consumer. You can't afford that. A guy that has a toolkit, it's like bears and then they, yeah. But I mean, again, the research community is offering these drugs available if you claim that you're a researcher and you want to experiment on yourself, right? But again, we've got now 18 months of this in the marketplace. Nobody's getting sick. There's nobody dying. There's no horrible side effects. I mean, that's a thermogenic, too. Everything. Neutron partitioning. Thermogenic. It's absolutely a thermogenic because it's enhancing resting metabolic rate. So it's why I'm sitting here right now. I'm burning calories, I think, so I'll read a radio. Like if I took my short off right now and I got on camera, you'd be like, dude, that's how lean I am. So it's like, but that's what it does. And so let's talk about the bodybuilding and performance enhancement arena now because this is important. This drug and things coming and we talked off air, but there's four stages coming, bro. So there's going to be an anti-catabolic component added to these three, right? So you can only imagine. So like genetic mutant bodybuilders can take it in game muscle. But you can already add an anti-catabolic testosterone optimization to anti-catabolic. You can add other anti-catabolic steroids, right? Exactly. But imagine when they actually add an anti-catabolic then on top of it. But this is completely challenging that. It's not as detrimental to your health. So dude, that's where we're going because I want to talk about my biomarkers. So this has radically changed the competitive bodybuilding arena as we talked before because you and I were both competitors and stuff and had bodybuilder and get physique stuff before. Like to be shredded on stage, you had to become comfortable with being hungry, right? Like that's just a bodybuilder's mantra. You knew that if you really wanted to be peeled and diced, you would have to be starving the last two to three weeks of your competition. That's gone now. This drug will radically lower your body fat by all you have to do is just clean up your diet dramatically, right? Like lower your carbohydrates, eat very clean, essential fatty acids, fish and stuff like that. Get green, leafy vegetables, broccoli, stuff like that. But you're not starving at all. And it eliminates hunger. So there's no thought of pizza hamburgers, hamburgers. You remember dude, like you walked by somebody and you would smell the food and you'd be like, I remember when I used to try and diet down. Like, so the girl I was dating at the time, it's so funny how people deal with dieting. The girl was dating at the time. All she would do was want to look on Instagram, that food Instagrams to like look at all the shit you could need. I couldn't do, I would lose my mind because she'd send me stuff. I'd be like, stop, stop sending me the shit. I'm just trying to diet. So imagine now, fast forward to now where that's a thing in the past, right? Now to go deeper with it, because we talked about it, it is for people like me, for, you know, and again, people way beyond me advanced bodybuilders, it's anabolic dude because of the nutrient repartitioning, right? So like a person who has optimal genetics, you know, optimal drug regimen, optimal peptide regimen, in addition to a microdose of red and true tide will literally be bigger and leaner than they could have ever been doing it before that. That's how insane this stuff is, right? So we will see over the next five to 10 years, this is my opinion, but I know it's gonna happen. The world of bodybuilding and acting and people that, you know, have like mutant physiques will be like we've never seen it before. Like you will see people, like they won't have to use CGI and the Marvel movies probably, bro. They'll probably have people that'll be like, Jesus Christ, that's like his real body. They're just doing CGI off the real body. But it's just the future for is insane. Now let's get into the part that really matters. Your biomarkers improve. So again, I've been getting my biomarkers done since 1999, twice a year, sometimes I would get them once a year, but for the most part I get them twice a year. There's been years I've gotten them three times. In the last two years I've gotten them three times a year because I really want to look, you know, because I was concerned that maybe these GLPs aren't doing good things. Just had my blood work done in January and I've never in my life ever been able to move my HDL cholesterol level above North of 44. I've always just had low HDL. I've had very low risk inflammatory markers. I've always had good blood labs, bro. I have 64 HDL, which for someone like me who's never been over 44, it's like awe inspiring and it's all from a retrutite. I've done nothing else than what I've always done and obviously I'm meticulous, but it improved my HDL markers by 20 points. Now by cholesterol, you're already low body fat. We all have no body fat. So then I year round them 10% or less and now I'm about seven, but literally, so what's the mechanism that's doing that? It's suppressing inflammation. It's regulating insulin sensitivity. It's obviously improving nutrient partitioning. It's obviously eradicating this role body fat, which is the number one inflammatory health marker. So it's just doing so many good things and then the other thing is, and this is the stuff that we really don't understand yet, dude, the brain stuff and it's doing, right? So it's like it's putting you, in addition to all the physiological, biological health markers that are improving, it's putting you in such a positive state. You don't have bad days when you're on retrutite, dude. Like you wake up in the morning and you're just fucking ready to go. You know, you sleep deeper, because remember this is another thing is that like most people sleep is deserved by inflammation. Yeah, brain inflammation, got inflammation. You don't have it when you're on retrutite and a microdose. It's gone. You go, you knock out, you're asleep. The, you should have told me, the one hotel last night, they have lights to come on because of the flat form. So if you move in the bed, the lights come on. Okay, so I do like the hotel, but that's annoying. Yeah. My wife and I were like, what is going on? Is there a way to turn this off? We slept really good because the bed was amazing. But like, for example, other than something like that happened, dude, you don't wake up. You're laugh because you know that that happens, right? Like, is there a way to deactivate that? No, not that I know of. Is that in every room? Oh my God, that is an architectural disaster. It is. I like the hotel, but the hotel's amazing. I have nothing bad to say, but dude, I literally turn it over. Every time, every time we stayed there, I turned over in the bed and it didn't. My wife was like, what's, no, that seems too sensitive. No, it literally, I mean, I moved and I picked up my pillow, you know, it turned on. Turn, yeah, because it's like, it's a motion sensitive. Yeah, but I don't remember being that sensitive last time. It did it for us. And my wife was like, what in the hell's like three o'clock in the morning? Yeah, sounds sweet. And the lights, that's funny. I mean, not the whole thing, right? But the, yeah, I know what you're talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, but it's enough lights to turn it on. So it's like crazy. But, but yeah, so you don't have brain inflammation, gut inflammation, so everything is just improved. And again, I mean, dude, that's the thing is like, inflammation is the primary mover of disease, right? It causes all disease, heart disease, brain disease, neurological disease, type two diabetes, all the things that people get at some point in their life who don't take care of themselves. If you don't have inflammation, you don't get disease. And remember, we talked about this already, and we'll get deeper on this when we start talking about training. But the longest, but that statistically proven way to live the longest is to be the leanest, to maintain leanness. Now, people will ask me, Jay, what does that mean? It means for women, you should be 15 to 22% body fat for men, you should be 10 to 15. I say 12 to 15, very, very few guys are gonna walk around year round at 10. But I like to tell guys like you should stay 12 to 15 and every now and then as a bucket list thing to do, get to 10, right? Just because you can do it. And it's the thing where it's like, I have control over my physique, right? But like those are the levels that if you stay in that range for the majority of your life, you will not get sick, you will not get disease. Because again, this are all body fat in the center mass. And for women, it's sometimes in the hips and the low back is what causes disease, dude. Because this whole body fat causes cytokine storms and cytokine storms are literally a giant inflammatory cascade that leads to horrible pain, suffering, again, default state of not healthy. Yeah, I know. I think that I can't remember who told who was saying this, but the two markers of living a long life are if you work out and lift weights and then your VO2 max. 100% of the multiple VO2 max and grip strength determine how long you live. There's 100%. And grip strength is just normally better if you lift, right? And VO2 max, I'm glad you say that because we will get to that. A lot of people don't live, I mean, don't do cardio. They lift, but they don't do cardio. And especially as you get older, it's like grow and ladies, if you don't do cardio, you can have strength in your heart. And the heart and the vascular network around the heart is really the extender of life. Like if this is not efficient, you can't have blood flowing and pumping, as effectively as you would if you didn't. So you've got to do lifting, again, two or three days a week of resistance, but you also got to do cardio, you have to. And that's the important thing to you. So we can talk about anything else about GLPs because I want to talk about working out lifting because again, I don't want people to listen to the show and then just think, oh, I'm going to, and Jeb do the whole thing. I'm going to say, and it's going to save my life and I'm going to be in the best shape in my life. So any other thoughts about GLPs? No, just as great as I've raved about them and said them, again, they're just an adjuvant. Again, Renato Trutite has probably a little bit better than an adjuvant for all the things that it does. But if you don't have the basics and we'll define the basics as, you're getting six to eight hours of sleep every night, yeah. You're looking to make sure that you're hormonally optimized, whether you do it naturally or through therapeutic testosterone. Again, that's men and women, that's not just men. You're using probably a growth hormone agonist peptide or even growth hormone itself. We haven't talked about growth hormone. We should. A microdose. That's HGH. Yeah, exactly. A microdose of growth hormone at 40 and above is life extending. It's absolutely life enhancing and life altering. There's a lot of negative stigma that's been in the marketplace about growth hormone for some stupid reason. People think that it shuts down your body's pituitary and your natural production. It's complete nonsense. I've been using a microdose of human growth hormone since 2021. I use a genotropin, Pfizer, genotropin, from a pan. There's millions of people on the planet they're doing this now too. There are no side effects. You're not even even at my age of 54. You're not shutting down your body's natural IGF-1 levels. Scott, there are thousands of scientific studies peer reviewed using growth hormone in dwarfs, right? In children that have dwarfism or have the premature closing of the knee plates, right? And so they give them insanely high levels of growth hormone to overcome this so they can be normal sized adults. There's no side effects. They don't seek cancer. They don't see metastatic tumor formation. So for whatever misinformation was put out in the medical community, say 30 or 40 years ago about using growth hormone causing cancer or exacerbating tumors or anything, it's complete bullshit. Any smart anti-aging or longevity doctor will tell you that a small microdose of growth hormone both for a men and woman is amazing. If you can't afford it, and by the way, it's very affordable now. Okay, so my question was, it used to be, not a question, but it used to be way too expensive. It's to the average. Not anymore. Not anymore, there's a, since COVID, the online pharmacies around the world, bro, you can get a 36-IU pen for like 300 bucks. Well, that's generally less than like two months. And 10 years ago, it used to be fake to all this. It was bro, bro bodybuilding stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Green tops, yellow tops, all that stuff, right? Completely laughable, right? So you can get pharmaceutical grade genotropin or Nordotropin, which comes from Novo Nordesk, which is the highest quality in the world. Again, in a pen that you can carry around with you and it's amazing. But if you can't find that, you can't afford it, which nobody really can't. But let's just say you can't get your next specs option is growth hormone agonist peptides like a Tesla, like an Impa, like a CJC. Would you take both at the same time? So some people will, if you have like massive sleep issues, and you want to take like a microdose of growth hormone in the morning and say like a maybe a little bit more than a microdose of Tesla at night to enhance polyphasic sleep and deep restorative sleep you can. I don't see any negative risk to that. You may be just getting a little bit more growth hormone than you technically need. But again, if you have sleep problems, it's gonna help you sleep. Yeah. But yeah, so that's it. 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I think the one thing that we didn't talk about, what do you take to tan? Yeah, yeah, we didn't talk about that. So we have to, that's actually great because I don't want to forget that. So I use a product, a product, a peptide called melanotan one. There's also melanotan two. Both of these are what are called melanin cord toward receptor complex peptides. And what they do is they increase the amount of melanin in your body. So each of us has a level of melanin that is produced based on our ethnicity and our origin northern European people like you and me. We have less melanin than people close to you. Yes, I'd be oil pezz white. I was whiter than you, bro. I started taking this in 2008 in a microdose and there's something else about this phenomenal that we must talk about. And it permanently changed my skin color. So now I dose this like, because I'm in Miami right now and I knew I was gonna be in the sun this morning and maybe I'll be in the morning tomorrow because we're actually gonna leave. I gotta get back to my seminar but I'll take a microdose in the morning before I get out and see it. Like I'd turn the sea tiny a bit. Like literally like 0.1 or 0.15 milligrams is nothing. But I've been using it since 2008 in addition to changing my sun complexion. And again, so people understand this, the darker your melanin, the more protected from the sun you are. So I've actually improved my ability to not burn and to be more protected from the sun's damaging rays, right? And again, everything, again, pill it a poison. If you're gonna be in the sun, which is great for you, it's minimal, right? Morning, late afternoon when the red light from the sun is the best, if you're meditating or sun gazing or something like that. So that's when I get in it. But as you can see, I'm dark, bro, because of my melanin production, right? This also protects me from, again, cancers, skin cancers. I mean, I have, this is just a basal cell. I've had two of these in my life but you know, every 10 or 15 years, almost every white person gets one of these things. And so it gets surgically removed or just torn out. But it's amazing, but the primary benefit of melanin tan one, which I didn't actually realize initially when I first started taking is in the Hanson's consciousness. Now, I've written about this in multiple books. In the last three or four years, more and more people are starting to see this. Dr. Seeds, William Seeds, who's a famous peptide stalker. He talks about enhancing consciousness with this meditation, improving your mind's ability to go silent, right? Drown out to Dr. Monkey. And in fact, again, I never noticed it until probably like six or seven years ago and I started writing about it. But I became much more spiritual when I started injecting this. Like spirituality and evolving my, and growing my soul became a focus on my life. But it was indirect. So I never tied it to and to together. And then I started reading the research like later in 2016 and 2017 where people were talking about this. And I was like, oh, you know, it's like the light bulb came on. So it's an amazing peptide. Now, the other one dimension that people take, which I have to talk shit about is melanin tan two. Melanin tan two is definitely one of the only peptides that even though it enhances tanning and people get really dark, a lot of competitive bodybuilders, both men and women use it in some people, not all, but in some it can exacerbate or accelerate mole formation. So you can get like darker moles. Now, that doesn't make them cancerous, but obviously darker moles can become cancerous. So I avoid melanin tan two. The other thing that I would say about melanin tan two that must be mentioned is that some people get nauseous taking it. Some people also, because again, the melanin cord toward receptor complex peptides, just like PT-141, some guys get a spontaneous erection from it too. Yeah. So it's one of those peptides where it's like, if it works for you and you get really, really dark and you just use a tiny, tiny emit because you're a bodybuilder, you know, competitor and you want to get on stage really dark and defined, then use it for a short amount of time as long as it's not darkening moles. But for most people, the risks outweigh the rewards. You don't want to have dark and moles and you definitely don't want to have a spontaneous fraction. Are you, you don't want to need that? Ah, they're not useful. They're a lot of, listen, a lot of the stuff we're talking about is very useful for health and wellness. This is more of a vanity. Exactly. Yeah, no, no. melanin tan two is literally created for tanning. melanin tan one was done for consciousness and enhancement. But the other thing that I didn't mention is melanin tan one is actually FDA approved. It's called brilaminotanid, brilaminotide and it's outrageously expensive, horse it is. Bro, no lie, I can buy it, direct for $3.00 of aisle of 10 milligrams, they sell it with a script for 1,900 bucks. So think of that more cup. Yeah, that's pharma. Exactly, so it's pharma. If you're listening to this right now and you're like me and you use this and you're getting a script, stop. Go to bioelongevitylabs.com and buy it. It's not 10 dollars because we got to make money but it's not expensive. It's not, it's not 1,900 bucks. No. Pharma makes money, man. Pharma makes. The biggest. It's the biggest profit centering the world, bro. What did you say, a manjarro and $4 billion off of just, or one one turns out a time last year, or one pipeline. And that's not the biggest, right? Cause somagletide, which is would go be is the most prescribed and most you don't much that. I don't know, but my estimates are it's over 10 billion. It's more than four billion. Yeah, it's a lot more than four billion, right? Last piece of the puzzle, working out. So we've spoken about, you know, testosterone therapy, optimizing hormones. You know, we talked about like lifestyle a lot as well and then peptides. And I think that working out is a big piece of it and obviously it's a big piece of both of our lives. So what are, what are thoughts about, you know, what should you do if you're going down this journey of health and wellness and say you've never worked out ever before? Where do you start? Or you never worked out properly? No, I mean, it's a good question. I mean, you know, I'm glad we saved this for the end because I'm very outspoken about this, but the average person who goes to a gym has no idea what they're doing. You know that, I know that we see these people, we feel bad for them. But again, you can't go up and wave your arms and say, hey, I can show you how to do this better, right? A person has to be receptive to changing their patterns and obviously doing the work, right? So unfortunately, most people don't understand how to train. And what I mean by that, so I can define that is to build a muscle and to change your physique as you age, you have to lift to what I call positive muscle failure. Some people call it progressive overload, right? What does that mean? Let's define it. It means that you train in a rep range that when your set ends, you failed. Now, you have a total failed, like in bi-building where they're like, you have somebody assisting you and doing bench press and somebody's spotting you, but as an aging person, man or woman, you're not going to have a spotter all the time. And so you want to go to a point where you cannot do one more rep in good form without using ego and momentum, right? You're not herky jerky or something, right? So that is how you build muscle. And again, consistently, Darren Hardy, over time, training to positive muscle failure will change your physique. And so many people don't understand this. Now, let's talk about this and drill down and deeper into the rabbit hole. If you're not an athlete, you know, you didn't wrestle or play football or basketball or baseball or soccer or whatever growing up as a kid, it's probably likely that you don't have a lot of neurological coordination, right? You didn't practice, like you and I, we practiced. It was part of our life. But also when you do those sports, if you play them at a competitive level, you do get proper weight training. That's true. You get coaching, all that's involved, right? So an average person who isn't that, and that's fine if you're like that, you don't have what we have, because we learn from practice and from coaching. So what is the solution, Scott? It's not to go to the gym and fuck off for 30 years, right? Which is what most people do. They go to the gym is like checking the box and they don't even know what to do. I want a church on Sundays. I dress with my finest clothes. I do all the rituals, I shake hands, I put the money in the basket, and now I'm spiritual. Now I'm religious, I've done it. Now I can be an asshole the other six days of the week, and I know where I am religious. It's so true. So it's like if you're one of these people and you're listening to this right now, you know, it's okay, raise your hand, right? But it's like the truth is, is you must hire a coach. You must hire a quote unquote personal trainer. It doesn't have to be necessarily the trainer at your big box gym, because you and I know most of those people are suck. The good ones at these big box gyms aren't even gonna see you. Anyway, because they have too many clients. So find somebody that can teach you how to lift to positive muscle failure. The correct strategy, technique, sets and reps, intensity, all that stuff can be taught, and we both discuss this in under three months. You can learn how to lift, which by the way is going to benefit you for the rest of your life in three months. Some shorter, maybe some need six, but you cannot become dependent on your trainer or your coach to push you through your workouts. Now, I wanna mention this because we talked about this previously, off air. If you're a super rich billionaire, 100 millionaire, whatever you are, and your life is all job, and you just wanna literally be brain dead when you come to the gym and hire a coach to push you around, that's a different story. But for average people, which is the majority of people, and I won't call you average, but just the average person listening to his podcast, you don't need a coach every time you go to the fucking gym. That's insane. And besides, you should be inherently motivated and driven to go and do it to build a better body, not for narcissistic or vain purposes, but to be stronger and functional as you age, right? You wanna run around with your kids? I wanna pick up your grandkids, hike a mountain, exactly. There's no reason that you can't be in your 70s, 80s, and 90s, and totally physically strong. And I would just say productive, right? You had a good stat, like the leading cause of, was it leading cause of death? And elderly people, literally a hip fracture, which is a spiral hip fracture, and then a spiral hip fracture, because it's a compound fracture leads to break down of the biological system function, organ functioning, heart, vascular, and they die. That's how they all die. I mean, literally almost all old people who fall and break their hip die within a month, because everything shuts down. And that can be easily prevented, dude. That's all due to osteophenia and sarcopenia, which is lack of muscle, lack of bone mineral density. And why do they not have bone mineral density? Cause they sat on their ass their whole life, watching the fucking book tube. It's like, dude, don't say that you can't afford a gym, or don't say that you don't exercise. I mean, bro, as you and I know, you could literally just do standing squats, pushups, and get a towel and put it around a door handle and pull, and take it to positive muscle failure, and do it three times a week, and you will be stronger and live longer than the people that are falling and breaking their hip. Now, obviously, you should go to a gym because you have more access to equipment and you have better options. But for those that can't, don't come up with excuses. But I mean, look, dude, again, we said it before, we'll say it again, the key of living a long life is to remain lean. You can't be lean unless you have muscle. Muscle is the greatest deterrent to the diseases of aging. The more muscle you have, the more metabolically active you are, the more insulin sensitivity you are, the more you burn calories, I'd accelerate rate while you're sitting here, right? So it's like, muscle is the gift that keeps on giving. I think women hear that, we should say this, and they're like, oh, I don't wanna be a big bulky bodybuilder. You know, I wanna hear that. I think that's it. I wanna be lies, I wanna be toned, I wanna be sculpted. As a woman, you cannot be a big bodybuilder unless you take tons of testosterone and God knows what other things, right? So you're not gonna be that way. You can go to a gym as a woman and you can pump iron hard core and you're only gonna get toned. You're not gonna get big and bulky. So, and it all depends on diet. Exactly, but stop thinking that bodybuilding or lifting weights is for men and not for women. So many people think that, and it's ridiculous. I believe the exact same as you. I've always found it so stupid. I mean, when I go to the gym, it's like, you structure your lifts around bench deadlift squat. That's always what I've been to us. And then you have all of you have your compound movements and then you can do some isolation stuff on the side. But if you get those down, first of all, you're strengthening all your joints all your tendon and your neurologically coordinate. Yes, and I think that everyone, women, men, everyone should focus on those lifts to a degree. And it's not like you're one rep maxing and PRing. No, and let's talk about that. Cause I'm glad you brought that up to unpack that. Those three foundational movements, bench squat deadlift or what everyone should learn to do. And I would say do until you're 45. At 45, the body doesn't have what it's called to novial fluid in the joint capsulations like it did at your age or in your 20s. So that doesn't mean you should stop squatting deadlifting and benching, but you should not be doing it heavy and you should not be doing it like, you know, like you said, a one or three or five repetition. You should be doing it lighter, controlled weight, controlled moment. I mean, controlled movement and doing higher reps. But the bottom line is you're right. If you learn those exercises initially in your 20s, 30s and early 40s, then you are stronger neurologically and you're more, I would say biomechanically sound. So then as you get older, you can actually just start using primarily like say 70% of your exercises will be machine and 30% will be free weights, right? And again, and this is important to stress. As you get older and you're stronger already neurologically, you machines can generate more force from a lever standpoint, right? Then then then then full body compound movements because you don't have to rely on the joints and the other tissues, right? So like for example, if you're a 50 year old guy and you're a nice physique and you wanna go and do chest, you're gonna get more intensity from a chest, like an incline chest machine, like a hammer strike machine, then you would if you were doing dumbbells. So you're actually hitting the chest. Exactly. That's what I was gonna say. You're stressing the primary mover, which is the chest versus the delts versus the elbow versus the triceps, right? Which are all indirectly involved. But you can't like, there's no shortcut. You have to do the compound movements, the dumbbell movements in your earlier years before you become really, really strong, say in your 40s and 50s. But I just like to tell people that as you get older, you can definitely rely on machines more because you can absolutely stress that prime mover or that joint better than you can with machines. But a combination balance is always key. I also think that my biggest issue with trainers and if somebody wants to get a trainer, you know, they go to the gym, they go to this is what the average person does. They go to the big box gym, they ask for a trainer. And what I hate about trainers is they don't focus on the basics and what they try and do. They're on balls and these retarded youngs. And you know, are you, do you think? The term, the best term for what I see trainers doing with people is it's fuck around. Object, like, yeah, just like, they're not doing anything useless. They're doing everything that I think they're, I think the reason my trainers do it is because they want to confuse the client to thinking that I can't work out without this person. Keep coming by. So if the trainer can't teach you what to do in three months and they don't focus on core lifts or at least things that seem like you can walk into the gym without them and do 100% that's a scam. I think it's a fucking scam. It's a 100% and again, it, you know, outside of the rich people that say, I, I pay that person to just confuse me, right? For three days a week, for 45 minutes a session or whatever. And those are that small minority, that's 100% accurate because again, if you do not learn the intensity, what's called the desire to show up in that three months, then what the fuck are you doing anyway? You're not paying attention. Well, I've had trainers and this is the thing. This is different. So people are gonna be well done. What's the point of a trainer? So I've had, I know how to work out and I know all the lifts. Now, when I have a trainer who's fucking kicking my ass in the gym and you know when a trainer counts down from 12, but then they count 12, 10 times before the, yeah, they're like 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 11. And like people that push you beyond the different story, that's what a trainer's for. So a trainer, a trainer, I think is more mental than anything else. But again, but I would do all those same lifts without that brand. I was just gonna say and we've already said this, you don't need that guy more than 90 days, right? Because if you learn the intensity necessary to change your body composition, then it should be inherent in your mind that like, okay, I'm doing this because I know I need this and I know what I need to do from a stimulation standpoint. So I'm gonna do drop sets, right? Instead of that trainer pushing me for 12 more reps, I'm gonna drop the weight in half and do 10 more reps myself. So again, you become inherently motivating to do what you already know. Not to say that it's okay not to hire an awesome coach every now and then and I look, I have no problem hiring a coach when you're in your 40s and 50s for say six months or three months just out of the blue because you want to do something and you want to see like a benefit or a gain and you want to like see what this person would be doing. You want to like have fun? This is the push, I need to ask, so you want to push beyond there's nothing more than that. But like I said, man, like the whole point of like what we're talking about is that people have to understand what it takes to build a better body. And it's not what you said, I love that word. It's not going to the gym, fuck around, I just three days a week, clocking in, clocking out, getting fatter, joints breaking further and further down because again, dude, as you get older, your metabolism slows down, you're not gonna look better. Being at my age, my wife's age, people are age in our 50s and having a six pack or having an amazing physique, it takes work. But not only does it take work, it takes knowledge and the knowledge or the noses of getting there is actually more than half the battle because if you don't know how to get there, no amount of work is gonna get you there. And that's why I get mad when I see older people who clearly aren't, you know, New Year's resolutions people, right? Like these are people that have been coming to the gym for decades and they look like shit. And it's because all you have to do is watch one set and you're like, what the fuck is that person doing? You know what I mean, right? It's the people that are pulling the bar down like this are doing tricep push downs like this and this and this. And it's like, dude, like really? Like you couldn't have hired somebody at one point in your life and when you say this because a lot of people talk about this now, especially the younger generation, way younger than you, bro, they go on Instagram and they go on Snapchat and they go on TikTok and they watch these young fit bro and fit ho influencers who also are very gifted genetically and they think they're just gonna watch them and they're gonna learn how to train doing that. That is when it gets retarded. Because you, again, if you don't have neurological coordination, you were not an athlete, you were not coached, you didn't practice. You gotta have somebody that can teach you how to do this. It's really that simple. So you also, if you're also following people on Instagram and you're a natural, say you're a natural kid, like you know, 16, 17, 18, you're not taking any drugs and kids take gear so young now. So arms. So arms, we talked about, you know, we always spoke about so arms how bad they are but they also, I mean, they also take a lot of gear. Yeah, they say dude and some of these like 18, 19 year olds, they've been taking stuff that they're 16. They're shutting, we should mention, but the point is you can't look at them as this is how I should train. No, and just to say this, because we talked about so arms, but like if you're a young guy or gal and you're using gear and your early age, there's gonna be hell to pay later because you are shutting down things that have not fully formed. And so you have like essentially, I mean, again, dude, and you see this all the time, you know, I think of that guy Boston Lloyd. Yeah, when you accelerate, when you accelerate your basic physiology through drug use before it would have naturally happened, all you do is do bad things. So I guess the moral is, if you're a young person and you're watching this and I'm sure you have a lot of aspiring young people that don't do so arms A, and if you're gonna do anything, just use a microdose of therapeutic testosterone when you have a deficiency based on your biomarker measurement and don't go anywhere else until you're in your 30s because you are neurologically still growing and developing until you're 30 years old. Like you don't shift. You don't grow height wise anymore, right? And past like 21, 22, but you're neurologically still developing. So I would not do anything other than touch testosterone. You want to use like microdose manabolic, so that's fine in your 30s and 40s, but wait until everything is done. Yeah, people are so, as people just want to move so quick, Boston Lloyd treated himself as like an experiment. Yeah. I literally Alex Keikle who's speaking at my seminar was very good friends with Boston and him and I have had, you know, deep personal 101 conversations about that guy. He was a very interesting guy. He was not a bad guy. He was actually well liked, but yeah dude, he did not have any self-worth and his worth was how much can I inject every single day? Like Alex told me he was like, his personal need was living based on how he can how much he can inject every day. Like that's what he lived off of. Like I had to do it. I mean, it's sad, but this is where people go because again, it's not the only one. It's not, it's a hungry, but the truth is, and again, we can get to this before this is over and talk a little bit about spirituality. It's like, when you don't have love and trust of self, you don't have worth. And so your worth is generated based on like what you do. You know what I mean? And I don't mean like productive wise, but just like your physiology or your narcissistic vanity of being bigger and bigger and bigger. And so many guys in the bodybuilding realm and all of us have a part of this. We have what is called muscle dysmorphia. We don't see ourselves what we actually look like. We're either smaller, we're not lean enough, we're not muscular enough, right? It's like we're a worst critics. And so I always tell people like, that's cool. We all start there, but you gotta work on your inner game so that you can get to a place where you do look in the mirror and you do feel worthy and you do feel enough. I'm enough. I don't have to be bigger. I don't have to be smaller. It doesn't matter that I'm not that lean. It doesn't matter that I'm not that muscular. So-and-so has a better physique than me, and that's fine. I don't have to compare and contrast, right? Too many people today, it's all about comparison because social media, right? Comparison is the theme of it. I don't even know why guys do it because you know what? Guys get into bodybuilding to get the girl, right? A hundred percent, everything is sexy. Everything is sexy. But then who do you actually get attention from when you're jacked and shredded? All other dudes, all other dudes, you look so good, dude. You look good, it's protein, it's kind of, it's not even giving shit. There's this saying in Russian that I only know because Gina speaks Russian amongst the other languages, but the saying is, and I can't speak Russian, but I'll say in English, a man should only be slightly more attractive than a monkey. That's the saying. That's the saying. So the point is, you should be focused on work because you focus on making money. Now I'm not saying money is everything, but you should see some, it's a pretty interesting dynamic that we have some friends that are very, below average looking Russian guys with like supermodels. The point is they focused on, how do I make wealth? How do I build a business? How do I, and I think that listen, I don't think it's good to, I don't think it's good to just focus on money. I don't think it's good to just become, you know, ripped and shredded and not focus on business either. I don't think it's good to do either those things and then forget about your, your mental health or your spirituality. But the point is you, you should be focused on upskilling across all levels of your life. And if you, if you want to be in shape, being in shape does not mean being 250 pounds, 7% body fat. That's not in shape. Exactly. And if you, if you build a, that's a new level. And if you want to make money, fine, make money. But don't make money at the expat, like if you have a $100 million exit and your kids hate you and your wife hates you and your parents hate you and you have nobody left in your life, also not worth it. I love the up-leveling. I think, I think to just add to that is, and this is statistically proven too, but if you take care of yourself and again, like you said, it's not being 250 pounds and 8% body fat. If you're lean, functional, maintaining that 10 to 15% body fat year-round type, you know, body, we're going to want into a room exuding persona. You will exude confidence. People will take you seriously. They're not going to look at you like you're some fucking stiff or some sort of slob. You know what I'm saying? Like you said, like no guy who exits a $100 million who's a metabolic emergency gets respect. Nobody gives a fuck. Nobody gives a shit, dude. Again, you exit $100 million and now you're like, oh, I'm going to take care of my personal health. It doesn't work like that. You're already a disaster. It's going to take you years if you can even last that long because you know how much hard work it's going to be to get back, right? So it's like, it really does be who you balance is key, but like if you just take care of yourself enough that when you walk into a room that both men and women literally respect you because they're like, oh, this guy takes care of himself. I mean, I've seen so many influencers speak about how a 40 plus year old man walks into a room and this goes with women too, but obviously from a business standpoint, it's men who's in shape, that person is taken seriously more than the person who isn't. And that's just human nature, right? That that's instinctual. Like even babies, right? They've done studies. Babies see physical form and beauty over sloven. You know, out of shape people. Like they can see it, right? They draw a line like all these different things. So it's like, if none of this makes any sense to you and you're listening to this and you think me and you are crazy, like you should just be looking at this. Like if your life is about like I want to get ahead, I want to have a better life I want to provide for my family and my kids, you know, leave a legacy then you should just take your health seriously because statistically you have a better chance of doing all those things healthy. Yeah. And again, I mean, I'm having time maybe also this self-confidence, it glutes over into business. When you walk, I mean, think about this. How many times in your life have you felt looked at or judged or observed, walking into a room by others and it's in a good way because they look at you and they're like, oh, this dude takes care of himself. Thousand percent, a thousand percent. You get confidence immediately. And so like that instantly, regardless of your personality style, that instantly makes you feel better about your chances and your opportunity. Imagine when you're doing a presentation and you're trying to make a pace for something. So there's two, there's two views, right? The you that's in shape, that isn't out of breath, that isn't sweating, that isn't feeling gross and tired versus the you that's in the day that you're not sweating, you're not out of breath, you're cognitively there because you didn't eat shit for lunch. So you're not hitting this like, you know, this glucose insulin roller coaster, who do you think is going to close the deal? That's exactly, exactly true. And that's what's so mind-blowing is if people don't realize that. You know what I'm saying? They get so caught up in like the nice clothes, the expensive watch. And it's like, bro, you look like one of my buddies you should say, you're 190 pounds of shit and 125 pound bag, right? Like people do see that. I mean, good or bad, first impressions are everything. And people do instinctually judge based on the way you look. I don't give a shit who you are. If you walk into a room and you are physically in shape again, we're not, like you said, we're not talking you because that's not in shape. That's like what the fuck is this guy doing? It's got too much time on his hands. Exactly, right? But it's like, if you're physically impressive and you walk into a room, you already have a leg up. Doesn't matter what you're doing, who you are, you have a leg up. It's, it's, if people are upset with that. I mean, it's, it's truth. It's, it's a slew of life. Truth is only, as I was, and I learned this from one of my spiritual mentors, the truth is only for the most sincere people. You know my biggest life hack that I learned when I was first of all, yeah, I mean, I played a lot of sports and then I got into bodybuilding. But the biggest life hack is if you don't want to worry about what you're wearing, just being in shape and everything looks good, so simple. You could put on a t-shirt, it's 100% true again. You put on a t-shirt, you look like you're like a million dollar. Not a thing you let all of us in a vat guy wearing a Gucci shirt. Oh my God. Okay, sometimes you see that in Miami, too. Oh, dude, it's so Yashmito, yeah. 100% 100%. So true, dude. You always see guys are in tail shape and they're wearing $2,000 for the clothing. And it's like two sizes, too small. It's like bro. But you can't just, it's like a, he's shoot a toothpaste. I said, 190 pounds of shit and 125 pound bomb. Oh my God. What would be some last, oh, we didn't speak of spirituality. Where do you think, and so I think that if you talk about improvement, like improvement across all areas of your life, I think that physical, mental, relationship, I think spirituality is something that a lot of people lost. I think society is very secular. And spirituality doesn't mean God or religion to find that way. I think it just means that believing in something bigger than higher than yourself and removing ego out of the equation and everything that you do. And I think that if you do not have something that you subscribe to that helps you remove your ego out of your decisions, you become slave to some other version of God or something like that. And it controls you as opposed to you influencing it. And I think that that's a very toxic way to live life. And I think that's why people are so depressed and unhappy because they don't have anything bigger than themselves to live for. Agree 100% and by the way, to add to that, well said, for finally said, religion is not spirituality. And people have to understand that, right? Religion for the most part in a lot of people's lives, not that it's bad, but it's, it's cultistic. And spirituality is literally doing what you just said. And again, set it another way. It's living in service. And when you live in service, you're automatically grateful. You're automatically looking to help people without an attachment to an outcome that comes after it. Again, it's the opposite of tithing. People tithe because they expect to get more from tithing, right? They're told that it leads to a transaction. It's a fishing war. Yeah, exactly, yeah. So it's like, the reality is it's like, if you donate and you give unconditionally, you don't do it with an expectation that something is coming in return, right? And you just do it because your heart, moralistically, virtualistically, integrally wants to do it. And that's when you're living in service to others. And look, dude, we're service to others, excuse me. We're service to sell beings by our nature because we're in a physical body. We have to eat, shit, piss, fuck, breathe. So we have to be service to self in some capacities. If we were energetic, which is our true base spiritual essence, then we would be observers. We don't have to do anything. We don't have to fuck. We don't have to eat. We don't have to shit. We can just sit there and observe as an energetic presence. And that's when you're purely service to others. But when you're now in a physical body, there is parts of any service to self. However, Scott, we can choose to be service to others. And that's how we live our life. That's that's through a good 100%. Do we give unconditionally? When you see a person in society who is broken and is asking for money, do you give them money without judging them because you want to do it? Or are you one of those people that says, oh, if I give this person money, they may go get high off or go get drugs. Or even worse, you only give if it's filmed and put on social media. Don't even get me going. But like, you have to live your life coming from a place, again, I said this to you before, you really truly have to know and mean and feel gratitude. And when you do that, then you automatically, again, the law of attraction, your vibe of attraction tribe, you automatically attract other high vibrational souls and beings into your life. And you will live a life of abundance and prosperity because those are the only people that are in your energy field. You cannot attract lower vibration people when you are living in gratitude. And again, I'll say this again, do you always believe this? No. I lived till I was 44 as an egoic asshole. I literally, people called me fuck you painting. That was my nickname, dude. Fuck you pay me because I was so good at selling, at closing, at contracting, to all the things that I did, but I was living in the ego mind, dude. That's all ego mind. And again, every experience that happens to us got in our life, we have an opportunity to learn and grow from it. Most people, unfortunately, they shut down when a quote unquote bad experience, which is only a label, right? Because as you know, every opportunity, all of your growth, but if you label something negative or bad, and then you attach to the feeling of that bad or negative feeling, and then you lived your life with that. And you know, the best way I think of that is like a divorce that's bad. A job loss or a company lost, it's bad. And now all of a sudden you're attached to the feeling that, you know, in that feeling was only a transient, fleeting feeling anyway, but you attach to that, and that now stifles you in your life's growth and development versus, oh, I want less of this and more of the things that make me feel better. And you start living your life like that, but you really can't live your life like that until you actually get to a place of gratitude. And again, a place of gratitude is cliche as it is, is holding doors for people, bro. It's looking at people directly in the eyes and smiling. It's walking up like you and I walk up to each other, we don't know each other and we hug each other and we're like, dude, we're gonna make this happen. It's having that energy where it's like, you know what? Everybody is an ally, but I have to treat them like an ally. I can't close my mind or close my eyes and say, look at this fuck, you know, fuck this guy or fuck this person or whatever. And dude, I did that for 44 years in my life. So it's only been in the last 10 years that I have truly developed an attitude of gratitude and lived my life, then officially, and what I say beneficially, like dude, I hold doors for everyone. Last night after the, which I'm gonna call it, the steakhouse, you know, there was a woman running across the street on the wall, green drive across the street. Yeah, I know I'm glad you weren't that. And it cost and I was like, oh my God, she's gonna get hit and I ran out and I stood in front of her and went like this and blocked the cars. You know, a bunch of people honk at me, but I thought she was gonna get hit because the cars were coming. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's doing stuff like that without thinking about all I could get killed. That is service to others. Or what can I get out of this? 100% and if most people do, right? Like, oh, I'm gonna get interviewed. Somebody's gonna say I was a hero or some stupid shit like that, you're right. But like, if you really do live your life as a service to others being, you're not gonna think about it. You're gonna do that because it's the right thing to do. You don't want that person to get run over. What caused this shift? My wife, 100% my wife. She was a very, very advanced spiritual being. Dude, she used to tell me. She'd be like, because I had a great physique. She'd be like, you do all this stuff. You have this amazing body. What are you doing for your inner self? And I'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Right? I did no spiritual work. I did not, I was not doing self-reflection. I did not read, you know, the grades, the Earl Lighten Gales, the Jim Rose. I did not read any of that stuff. She taught me about that stuff and then boom, dude. I got into personal development. And then I honestly, I started meditating. I started sitting in stillness. I started going outside, sun gazing with my dog, being in stillness, doing things. You know, I have a shock-retuning app that I use that I put on every single morning, dude, for 12 minutes. I get in my red light, but I'm having an insanely focused ritual. And I have, everything is, you know, notifications in my calendar. And I don't live 100% attuned to that, but I live 90% attuned to that. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, in the time that I've been here, I've had probably four or five notifications show up to say, like, what are you thinking right now? What are your two? Really? So use for self-reflection. It's not even forced because if I'm in the middle of work, like I have with this amazing podcast, I don't look at it, right? But I know it's there. So if I'm in my office and I'm grinding or something during the middle of the day, I can see the notification pop up and I can look at it and then I can like put my mind into that. And I can leave the busyness to get into that. But like, that's how important the right person is, right partner is. Dude, 100%. Yeah, so she taught me all that stuff and then it became this like guiding, you know, epicenter of my life. And that's how I live my life now. And I'm not perfect. Dude, no one is in a third density body, but like I realize that the more I serve unattached without an expectation for an outcome, the better my life is. Because my life, since I met her, has been like this. It's just been like this. I mean, yeah, I've had some downturns as we all do, but I don't label them as negative. I look at them as an opportunity for growth and development. And now once you do that, everything, there's no. Once you look at it like that, nothing is a challenge anymore. Because you know that you can overcome it. Because again, you're not labeling it as negative. It's like, how do I look at this as what do I, how can I grow from this versus I'll fuck that. This is a collapse of debacle if you ask go. And then it actually, the effects of that negative thing, they start to spiral into all the other things that you're doing in your life because you can't get it out of your mind. So then everything else you do, you start to sabotage it because you have this negative mindset. So then it's not only the one thing, it's everything you do for the next like three to six months, you self sabotage it. 100% it's fear. It all goes down to fear. So you have to live your life. I mean, dude, I think the easiest way to really break this down and just speak it as plainly as possible is like, if you realize that you are a divine essence, at basis, beyond your physical body, your soul is a divine eternal energy. What are you worried about? You could fucking die, you could get hit by a car, you know, you, you may, anything can happen to you, but you're not, it's not the end. And I don't think enough people, and I don't want to go into some psychospiritual woowoo babble, but I don't think enough people truly come from a place of like, hey, I'm an eternal energy being. I'm in a video game in the earth right now and I'm here to enjoy the ride, right? But all the ancients, all the gurus, all the sages, they've told us enjoy the ride. The Nissan commercial, they were telling us enjoy the ride, right? This is a ride in third density. And the ride is gonna go like this. And you can either embrace the ups and downs and the trials and the trials and the trials or you can literally just attach to the negativity of it and think you're a failure and then be in fear like you said. And then everything compounds, more fear, more apprehension, more anxiety. That's just how you look at life. It's ironic how like, when you live in fear and things actually don't work out because you're the one actually making them not work out. Exactly, we're spot, all we are is mind. We're nothing more than the thoughts we think. So why do you think negative? Why do you even think that you're not gonna have a great day because something happens in the morning, you lose a client or you lose a deal or something like that, like who gives a shit? You're just better ones behind it. A million, a million different deals, a million different opportunities. What's the necklace you wear? So this is some crystal man. And again, my wife is a crystal queen. So she got me into this. So this is a hercumard diamond and then mold a bite. This is mold a bite. You guys see this? It will get contained wild rings. Yeah, so this is Egyptian tectite and then this is Egyptian tectite too with an onc Egyptian energy called a mantle inside it. But I mean, this is amethyst. But my wife got me into crystals and just so you know, just like really quick, this is not woo. And mold a bite is the highest vibrational stone. So like when they measure energy in crystals, this is the highest amplifier. I don't know much about crystals. Yeah, it's okay. And then hercumard diamond amplifies mold a bite. So true story, these stones were called the pharaoh stones. So all the pharaohs in Egypt were these stones because they believed that these would transmute any kind of negative energy. So demonic entities, atherior experience or whatever. Yeah, so like, you know, in truth, I've been wearing these, they're also called tectites because they're essentially from asteroids, you know, landing on earth to the same thing as mold a bite. Ever since I started wearing these stones, bro, I don't ever deal with like really craziness, like in public. Like when I was an egoic maniac, I always dealt with craziness. I would get into fights with people. I would, I mean, not like knock down this fight, but I would get into arguments and this is just life is chaotic. Exactly. Yeah, like, and again, if we're talking wall of attraction, you attract what you vibrate. So when you're wearing things like these or super high vibrational, it's likely that you're only going to attract other high vibrational people. This is not wooed at all. I mean, you could look into the walls of thermodynamics and conservation and energy. And when you understand vibrational, you know, fields, if you're wearing high vibration jewelry or high vibration technology, some of its technology too, you're only going to attract that same type of person. And again, so since I started wearing these, and I don't wear them everywhere, I wear them in a podcast, I wear them on planes, I feel like I'm not only attracting the right people, but I wore it off the wrong kind of people. Yeah. So there's a lot of history in crystals, you know, the Atlanteans, the whole Atlantis community, all used Christians. Like, I think that just the way that you look at life and you look at like optimization across literally everything. All straddle, yeah. I think that's the answer. I mean, I don't know nothing about crystals at all. I mean, like these little, there's something about these. Those are tigers, it's tigers eye, right? Yeah, that's really good. That's very strong. The tiger's eye is very strong EMF protection. So that's actually protecting you from EMF. But I don't know it too well. I want to like some more about it. I mean, I'll send you stuff. I have like a PDF of the crystal Bible, and you can read it. Because I saw some of your past content. Yeah. I do a lot of stuff on crystals, a lot of stuff on, I mean, like I said, dude, like I don't, the Jay Campbell podcast, because I would bring you on my podcast, I stopped it in September of last year because I just kept bored of it. I mean, I entered the last six years, I got so bored of talking about health optimization, all I talked was like consciousness people of the last six years. And I talked to like some of the craziest woo people, but like some of them were like so knowledgeable about earth and energy and vibrational fields and stuff like that that my brain exploded and I got so into it, I honestly think. This is why I stopped doing just business podcasts because I found that all because it's about, it's the same shit. Yeah, it's fun and just the same shit. But that's the thing is that yeah, you can get the same business information, but people want to know how to get better across all parts of their life. They don't just want to know how to build a business and run Facebook ads. Well, honestly, I'm really grateful that you found me, you know. I am too. I mean, it's all made. I know we're going to be friends forever now. It's awesome, but the thing is, it's like, I'm just like you, like it's about, how can I take a little of something from everyone that fascinates me or energizes me and then how do I push that into universe? Because again, dude, it's about service and right now we're serving because this podcast is going to reach a lot of people. And if it affects five to 10% of the people that it reaches and they do something positive with the information, then it changes, it changes the balance. It's the, it's the 100th monkey, you know, it takes one person taking action that they would never have taken that pushes the balance to more people at a higher vibration of other men. What do you want to leave? Oh, so where's the people connect with you if they want to learn more? So jcable.com is in the top five according to SEO last month websites for peptide and hormone related information. I get like 25 to 40,000 unique visitors a month. It's very, very well traversed. Over 90 articles now on page one of Google for, you know, peptide related information. So a lot of peptide information. We put out least two articles a week and then you can follow me on social media at jcable333. People ask me, what does that mean? 333 is actually a numerology of mind body spirit. So that's why I attached to that. And then I have a free URL or vanity domain for every podcast I do. It's called jcable.com forward slash three books and you get every single book that I published five have been international bestsellers. But there's eight and you just get the PDF that you can download. And so there's a lot of them that are really good. Like the last two books are major international bestsellers. The peptide book is called Optimize Your Help with Therapy, Peptides. That's amazing. And then the newest my newest book, and I have one coming this year, but my newest book is 30 days to shreds. And that is probably at least one of the top five fat loss books of all time. It's 490 pages. But we go into the deep metaphysical weeds of like, where is the best way to lose fat in the fastest amount of time in the healthiest way possible? And that's why it's called 30 days to shreds. Because we tell people you can literally lose 10% body fat in 30 days with zero impact on your long-term health other than positive things. So that book came out in October of 2023. But I have a book coming hopefully by summer that's going to be the first book of its time. It's GLP one book. So it's going to teach people how to use GLPs like in the way that you and I talked about them today, which people desperately need because they're getting bad information and doctors and pharma. So we'll put the existing books for sure in the show notes. And then when that new book drops, I'll push it out to the audience. Of course, okay, last question. Is there anything we didn't go into? I think we covered it too. We got a lot. We got a lot. We talked about a lot of stuff. When you do more research in the future or when you discover new things, you have to come back. Awesome. Yeah, no, for sure. And this is changing so fast. I think that it's important to stay up to date on this stuff, the future of health. It's quantum. Even people in my own communities and stuff are like, dude, you told us this four months ago and now you're saying this and I tell them, I'm sorry, the science changes. We're in a quantum reality now. Yeah, so follow and look at his work and then I'm assuming like stuff that's just coming out and stuff that's new, you're going to cover that on social, you cover that on your blogs and everything like that. So you can see it all there. You speak a lot too. So if you probably can. Yeah, and put it this way, man. We didn't say this, but bio longevity labs is going to be the Amazon of biohacking within the next 12 months. And I haven't told you this yet. And by the way, we decided this last night after I talked to you. We're literally, we decided last night we're starting a billion dollar longevity fund, which all we're going to raise for it. 100% and it's going to be done by this summer. Like we have, dude, I have so many billionaires that are like, I want to give you money. I want to give you money. So we just finally decided like, let's just finance this. And in addition to that, let's finance other business, you know, viable businesses that are connected or attached to it in some way. But yeah, but that's for sure coming. And so yeah, so I mean, like again, you know, just to segue with RFK, he got confirmed today. There's no reason that people like us cannot teach. Like I've already said this, like I'm going to, in some of my how we're going to say me, how make earth healthy again, right? So that's what we're going with this. But like we want bio longevity labs to be the place for any person, researcher, clinician, layperson to just go and buy something to extend their life, whether it's a peptide, a bi-regulator, hormones, supplements, small molecules, anything that's out there that's cutting edge we're going to have. And ship it globally. So not just Canada, US, like, you know, the people in Australia who are destitute or New Zealand who can't get it in, we're going to figure out ways to get it in those countries. So everybody can access. Good. Last question. Learn a ton over your life, over your career, about health, wellness, business, spirituality, literally everything that we went into today. I love unpacking like all the different parts of a person. Because sometimes it's just like so like myopic and blinders on about the one thing they want to talk about. But that's not, that's not what makes a person. So you kind of like, you know, you, uh, you, you eat your own dog food, so to speak, right? I think that's important. Um, so the last question. Sorry, uh, out of all the lessons that you've learned over your whole life, uh, you have to make a decision to pass on one of those lessons to your kids. Uh, what would that lesson be? Why is it so important and why? Uh, you must live with an attitude of gratitude. Uh, your children, your legacy, your family, the people that are in your system or in your circle, they have to understand that you really are the living embodiment of a gratitude of a grateful person. And what I mean, grateful, you teach them to hold doors for others. You teach children. This is so important today, Scott, because it's not being taught. You teach children to look into the eyes of the person that they're speaking to or you're shaking their hands or their meeting and you smile and you convey that honest gratitude of like, I'm so happy. Nice to meet you. How can I help you? How can I serve you? What can I do just, you know, to help all my emails to every person who emails me now literally is like, you know, when they say something good or bad, I'd say, Hey, you know, it's awesome to meet you. How can I serve you right now? And I mean that I really honestly mean that. And I think we have to teach our children that like by being grateful in every moment, regardless of what's going on in your life, you will again, that vibrational frequency attracts other people like minded and you will literally create a life of absolute abundance and prosperity. And I know this because before, as I've said on this podcast, up until 44, I was fuck you, pay me. I was egoic and I lived in the ego mind. And once I changed that attitude, again, to my child, to my wife, Monica, who taught me this, she's my greatest virtual mentor. Everything changed for me. And I didn't have, bro, I used to get tickets all the time. I was one of those guys. I have not, I mean, I want to knock on what I said, but I have not got a single ticket since I met my wife in 11 years, right? Drive fast, BMW M cars. You know, every now and then I might drive a little aggressively, but I don't, I don't, I don't, I haven't gotten a single ticket. And I, I really feel that I'm living in a such a universal, abundant, prosperous state of mind that I avoid that now because I'm doing so much good for the universe. I'm serving at such a high level. And I think you've heard this. And I don't remember who it was. It might have been Jordan Peterson. I don't remember, but somebody that was a great, you know, a calm philosopher, a modern day philosopher who said, your ability to earn is relative to the amount of people you serve, right? So if you're going to be a billionaire or a trillionaire or a hundred billionaire or whatever, you cannot hold onto that unless you serve at the same capacity. So it's like I realize now that the more I serve, the more abundance will come into my life. It's literally as simple as that. And if you can scale service, which obviously many people have, and again, not do it from an egoic standpoint, but come from a place of non-attachment, you know, no expectation, then you'll hold onto it. And you will build legacy wealth and you will not just build legacy wealth for yourself, but you will build legacy wealth for millions of people who are connected to you. And that's the key. And again, you know, I hate bringing money into the equation because I do think that money is an issue for a lot of people in this world. Obviously debt slavery and debt servitude is terrible. You can use debt, you know, in a positive fashion versus a negative fashion. But at the end of the day, if we ever do get human relationships and human, let's just call it vibrational fields to a place where everything is level, people will have to come to a place where they absolutely living gratitude. They cannot be, I'm going to rip this person's head off and take a badge of this person. And I think capitalism, socialism, every, you know, economic philosophy, it leads to that. And so like we have to get to a place where like people just are in a place where like money isn't the, the be all end all and that service is the be all end all. And I don't know if we in this current time and age can ever get to there. I don't know if our economic. But I think it's people that do live that way. Change. They change and end up having a very good life. Impact. Yeah, it's all about impact. I think that it's just very low vibrational scarcity mindset to not think that way. Everybody who I know, like wasn't, I've had like hundreds and hundreds of people on this podcast that have built companies that you know the name of, like founder of Netflix, founder of Reebok, guys that have true bill, like billionaire billionaires and 100 millionaires. And it's all about impact. They're very, they're very much like people oriented. Like how do we serve as many people as possible? It's it. There's no, there's no secrets, dude. Like once you get to a certain level, whether you've made a billion or a hundred million or 10 million or whatever, you get to a place where you just understand that it's service. It's literally because dude, we're all the same. At base essence, we're all souls inhabiting these physical bodies in this third density, you know, in video game of, of life. And so it's like if you truly understand that that you're an eternal energy being and you're not going to die, your physical body will die in this current lifetime, but your energy will keep going. There's nothing to worry about. Enjoy the ride. Enjoy the experiences is everyone. No one's knowing that there's not everybody to win. There's you don't really have enemies unless you choose to label someone as your enemy because even if somebody that fucks with you or does something that you again label as negative, how do you know that they weren't having a horrible moment in time in their life when they did it and they didn't mean it? You don't. You absolutely don't. So it's like hold no grudges. By the way, we never even mentioned this. Forgive everyone. Forgive not for them for yourself. Forgiveness is what lack of forgiveness is what causes cancer because you think about when people don't forgive themselves, it's mostly themselves and not the other people. That becomes some sort of inflammation in the body that eventually leads to the cellular degradation that basically manifests as cancer. And so forgiveness is so important. So like don't have enemies, forgive anyone and everyone. There's no reason to have an enemy for someone. Just forgive them. Let it go. Stop being attached to whatever that you thought they did to you because it's a label. It's not simple man.