Elizabeth Pipko - Political Media Strategist & Author | The Hidden Forces Controlling Your Political Beliefs

2016 when I got involved in politics for most people getting involved in like a local election for me It was the craziest presidential campaign in American history, but it was a presidential campaign I think once you get into politics at least as deep as I did your life is kind of never normal She broke into the world as a high-fashion model But behind the photo shoots and runways was a voice too powerful to be quieted Elizabeth Pipco is a modern-day icon for conviction balancing her life in the spotlight with a deep commitment to faith, freedom, and unapologetic truth People now only care about being relevant, that's why I hate social media They know they can't be embarrassed anymore because the news cycle changes every two seconds Whatever you say that will get attention even negative people will forget in an hour But you've gained 10,000 followers Social media has allowed our enemies to infiltrate this country In the easiest way possible by hitting the next generation No one knows what 14-year-olds are doing on their phones No one can stop them from being on their phones or being on these apps Anyone in the world can feed them whatever material that they want That's when you have a real problem As a writer, political commentator, and founder of the less people forget movement She's dedicated to preserving history, elevating dialogue, and protecting the values that matter She's proof that you can embrace elegance and stand for something that lasts If I was not as close as I was, maybe I would hate Donald Trump I don't blame anyone who are feeling the way that they feel because they only get to read the headline No one is going to believe in you if you don't believe in yourself If you don't like who you are, it doesn't matter if anyone likes you ever That's why I supported Donald Trump for so long Because he taught me what it means and how powerful it is to believe in yourself What is something that you haven't spoken about? About your story that people would be interested to know? It's weird because I'm very open, like too open Like everyone thinks that they're open and then everyone I meet is like, no, it's actually that's not the real me I'm actually the real me, I think everyone knows everything I don't think people realize how like goofy and nerdy and awkward I am But otherwise everyone kind of knows everything You do have an interesting story So you went from modeling for top fashion magazines You became the national spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee What was the moment because you've been sort of involved and adjacent to politics for a while Now what was the moment when you actually decided that you were sort of shelving modeling to a degree shelving figure skating to a degree I know you had an injury at one point which is probably what started that But what was the moment when you're like, I am putting regular life aside I really want to focus on politics Yeah, I mean that moment never existed It was 2016 when I got involved in politics And for most people getting involved is like volunteering in like a local election For me it was the craziest presidential campaign in American history But it was a presidential campaign so I was 21 No college degree not a lot of work experience and I ended up on Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign of one of maybe a hundred or so staffers in Trump tower in New York City So I kind of accidentally ended up There and I thought what do you mean accidentally ended up? I mean the reason I asked is because I always wonder Even with Trump I'm always like why go into politics right like life is so good Not for him he really life was good. He had no reason. I my life wasn't as good But no I was 21 years old I really had nothing going on like I tell the story all the time I say Donald Trump saved my life people don't you know like it if they don't like him But genuinely apart from politics I was in a really bad place and I didn't really have much of a future I was failing out of a few college classes. I had no friends to not know what I wanted to do I was genuinely very depressed and then my little brother Told me to start watching Donald Trump While he was campaigning and I said why because I had never been very political And he said it's not about political. It's about the fact that the guy is pulling it 2% And he's showing up every single day saying I'm going to be the next president Like that's the inspiration that you need So I started watching him fell in love with that spirit again less politics more personal just watching this guy show up every day Super confident. He was going to be the next president despite the entire planet laughing at him Um, I knew I needed more of that in my life to get my act together And then my brother Asked me to go volunteer for the campaign which really for most campaigns is either knocking on doors or phone banking We were in New York City so you're not knocking on apartment doors of only Democrats So it was just phone banking So we went there. We made a few phone calls For the campaign I decided I was kind of interested in doing more Just because I used to be a professional athlete and that part of me I guess came back to life when I was inspired to be in this building and be around all these people Working out a presidential campaign I wrote a letter to the data director of the campaign telling him That the volunteer operation was garbage and I could fix it I asked an intern who was like 14 at the time to bring my letter up and leave it on this guy's desk And he hired me the next day I love that and he and Trump is like an absolute workhorse Like I hear the story forget How he like even when he campaigns he's non-stop Like he literally never stops Even when you hear stories about him on Joe Rogan Like going for three hours without taking a sip of water Like the guy has unlimited stamina for his age While it's it's I can't keep up like everyone that's with him That's like what we joke around about is trying to not look tired in front of him Because we can't keep up with him like that's just what it is I was with him It was right before election day so the day before election day I was in Pennsylvania It was his third rally of the day already he already done one in a different state This was the second one in Pennsylvania I spoke at that rally it was the first time I'd ever actually gone to a rally in 10 years of being in Trump We're only got to speak so you know 30,000 people at this rally It's paying out backstage with the president He gave a speech there that's his third speech of the day So I'm exhausted from my 15 minutes That's his third speech of the day on the campaign She really goes much much longer than I did of course Third speech of the day in second state of the day Then he was heading to Michigan for the fourth speech that day Which he gave around one in the morning Returned back around 5 a.m. to Florida Maybe 6 a.m. and then had to live through election day And I think at that point hadn't slept in 72 hours And you can't use can't tell He is an absolute machine Now I think that it's pretty safe to say that your identity is more wrapped up in politics than anything else Forget the fact that Trump was an inspiration And obviously you're highly loyal to him And the fact that he won that's all great But outside of that are you ever upset that you Tied your identity to politics and not I know like life wasn't perfect There's a lot of other paths that you've gone on And we've spoken about this All the different things that you've tried to figure out I mean A there's other things in life that I do That I think are very cool and very special And a part of me that people don't think about Because all they want to talk about is Donald Trump Nowadays whether you like him or don't like him Or close to him or not That's all people care about But B there's just being normal And I have never gotten At least in the last 10 years of my life or as an adult I have never gotten to being normal My life for better or worse For the last 10 years has been about fighting for this Stranger Who now I know obviously pretty well But a random politician And I think once you get into politics At least as deep as I did Your life is kind of never normal again So it's a lot So you face a lot of attacks And I think that everybody In politics in general But also in Trump's can't face a ton of attacks You have been called a Nazi Which is interesting Yeah Considering your Jewish Or the Nazi Where you come from What do you think about What do you think about the modern interpretation of Nazism And just talk about Because your grandparents warned you about The fact that the Holocaust wasn't ever over How October 7th obviously changed all of our perspectives On what it means to be Jewish in this world But what's your reaction when somebody calls you A modern orthodox Jew and Nazi I mean at first it's horrible Like any attacks are horrible And I had a really difficult time in the very beginning Just because I'd never been attacked Like that You go overnight Really from no one knowing your name To it's still being pretty irrelevant But enough people wanting you to be In some kind of pain or to hurt you Or Threatening you in some way Which is horrible and scary And so the word You know like hearing the word Nazi As a 23 year old girl Who had no idea why she had deserved That message to begin with like that scary Now it's more sad because the term has lost all meaning And because we're throwing it around And insulting people the way that we are And I'm personally not impacted But I know a lot of people who would be Who maybe didn't spend the last 10 years in politics Like I did and didn't develop that thick skin Knowing that they're receiving those insults worries me a lot Makes me sad and Be it's just worrisome as an educated adult To know that history means nothing clearly Because we're throwing around that term To people we don't like in America Because they voted a different way from us But that's wild to me Like there's always animosity in politics But how do we get to the point Where we've basically like to your point We've removed the meaning of the term Nazi It's so much so that it's like a casual Like they're throwing it around casually Like if World War II is not that long ago But people forget very quickly How do you think we got to this point Here's what I'll say I don't think it's as newest people realize I just think because of social media It's taken over I remember someone called Donald Trump a fascist A few years ago Right before I had done a TV interview So they were talking about And then I was coming on to then discuss it And I remember thinking to myself The fact that we're using the phrase fascist Is embarrassing My parents actually fled fascism You might not like Donald Trump You might not like any Republican Or Democrat But we should not throw the term around here For either side And I remember calling my dad after I did the interview And he said Let me tell you a story When I first came to America I think he was in law school Not even sure But he went to Yale law school So one of the best in Columbia University So wherever it was it was great And he said that when he came to class I think it was his first day in class They made a big deal about it And said Look we have this immigrant From the Soviet Union Who's in the class I think Reagan was president at the time And the professor In my dad's class Said you're going to feel right at home here Because we have our own fascists in the White House And so my dad said that at that moment He just sat there and wondered Is this the best school in the world This is what people told me I should fight to get into And they don't know what fascism is So clearly nothing actually has changed at all It's just become so much more mainstream It's so much more visible to everybody Because of social media In Canada We don't have this animosity We don't have this like vitriol And hate and anger And it's something that I see It's sad But it's In my opinion Uniquely American I think that this much anger And this much Division I think is Probably fueled by social media By fueled by new cycles But it's I think it's Worse in the US than almost anywhere else In Western civilization And that means that we have the right to be angry Which is cool But I'm curious where all of this hate And anger comes from Because I believe That most people Are not as far left or far right As media makes us out to be I think that most people On average are fiscally conservative socially liberal I think that's the majority They all sort of hover around center-ish And if they're not, they still don't mind Someone disagreeing with them Usually that's the case So where does all this anger and animosity come from I mean now you've like lived in Probably You said that People calling Presidents fascists Is not new But I think that the amount of anger towards one man One man Yeah I don't think that's ever been seen before No, this is new And that's what I was going to say You said it's uniquely American I think it's just uniquely Donald Trump I think if you ask people about Donald Trump In Canada and France And I mean anywhere really You're going to get that same vitriol That we do here I think it's him alone Partially because of himself And how big of a personality he is And more You know, majority because of the media And the circus they created around him And how angry they were when he won despite that And how much harder they doubled down after that And decided that they were not going to stop Until everyone hated each other Because that's what gets them views And that's what works And that's the only way they could prove That they were right about Donald Trump all along Which is all that people really cared about Is not looking like idiots Which is what they all looked like When they thought the man was going to Disappear as a joke And he ended up being president I don't think it's uniquely American I think it's uniquely Donald Trump When he ran in 2015 The world changed And I don't know what's going to happen when he's done That's what I was curious about Like you sort of have like an inside view Is to What this campaign was like I know that it was not easy I don't think anyone would think that it's easy But He did change He did change what It means to be a president And what it means to be involved in politics And I'm curious Do you think that Because I think there has to be some sort of healing process And I don't think it's even started yet I think that there's so much I mean, we can talk about what's happening with Like even Elon being associated with the And now people are Burning Tesla's which is ironic Because I'm sure a whole bunch of people The bot them were like Very liberal Yeah, they were Environmental And now we're burning the same electric cars We were trying to mandate So people are angry or Than ever Yeah I mean, it's obviously an over simplistic question But where do we go from here And how does the US start to heal I mean, it's tough for someone like me Because I never bought into it Like I lost friends People didn't like me But I never became the person That was like I am staunch Republican And unless you agree with me You're not my friend I never cared My parents then raised me that way They never cared They voted Democrat And Republican My entire, you know, childhood I just never understood it And in fact, I get bored Being around people who agree with me Like I don't watch Republican media Because there's no point Because I know what they're saying I watch the view every single day I never miss an episode of the view And people laugh at me And it's like Because that's interesting I want to hear what they have to say And I want to know where they're coming from Like I would hope they would want to know Where I'm coming from I think that's what's missing Awesome But I mean, you are I think that that's Like a very mature way to approach politics I don't It's funny When I'm on Twitter I don't feel like anybody feels that way When I'm in the same room as somebody I do feel like most people feel that way Most people are decent people Like I'm never Let me tell you, I've met some really bad people And I've gotten some really nasty messages And I've seen some really ugly stuff But I've traveled this country quite a bit And met a lot of people You know, Trump supporters mostly Because of my work, but otherwise too People are really wonderful Especially in America People are truly wonderful And I think it's sad that we forgot that Instead of celebrating that Like I have Loved everyone that I've met I love meeting new people I love discovering You know, what goes on in this country I got my masters in Social policy and nonprofit work And I remember my first day of class Part of what we have to do for the program Was interning at a nonprofit of our choice And I sat there Being interviewed and interviewing A bunch of, you know, leaders of different nonprofits And I just thought to myself Look how amazing America is How new people are doing this That are not making a dime And doing this out of the goodness of their heart And it doesn't matter how they vote I'm sure most of them voted differently than I did Because they're in the nonprofit space I went to an Ivy League school I know how it works But America is wonderful And people are wonderful And politics is such a tiny part of my personality And I was the spokesperson for the Republican Party So it must be a teeny tiny part of most people's personalities And it doesn't have to be more than that I just move from Canada to Miami As little taxes as possible Okay, I love the weather I'm like, I don't mind social programs That help people that aren't doing well in life Of course, you want everybody to live a good life But I don't feel the need to be like You know, overly, you know, controlled by the government If I don't, if I'm not, you know I respect taxes for like roads And army and all that stuff But that's sort of where I stop And I think a lot of people feel that way And I don't understand somebody Who wants to tie their identity into a political party I don't know who it serves Because I don't really believe This is what I, this is sad But I think it's very true The people that Are hurt the most Are not the people that are successful Depending on who wins an election If you have a good job Your life If you actually think about the day in the life The majority 90% of it does not change Depending on No, people wouldn't know that it's up to the White House It is the people who are below the poverty line Is the people who have no money Whose lives are actually impacted But those are not the people who are yelling the loudest It's people that are multi, multi, multi-millionaires It's people that have had exits It's people that are, you know Earning two, three, four, five hundred thousand dollars plus In coastal cities that are the loudest And that's what I don't understand Why those people are so angry And so polarizing And tying their identity into politics When there's so many better ways for them to spend their time Are they angry or are they bored That's what I don't know I don't know how many of them actually care Because I can tell you I'm not trying to name names But there's a lot of people That you will hear on TV That I heard the last year screaming that Donald Trump Was literally Hitler Want to take America back And then they were calling him the same day And kissing butt Like I can tell you they were in the same room as him Telling him how great he is And that he, they hope that he's You know, keeps in touch with them if he wins And then they're going on TV saying horrible things They're rattling up the people that are actually affected by the election Making them angry It gets views And it gets attention And it gets people now only care about being relevant And it's so unfortunate And it's so sick And that's why I hate social media People A, only care about being relevant And B, they know they can't be embarrassed anymore Because the news cycle changes every two seconds And whatever happens Whatever you say that will get attention Even negative People will forget in an hour And you're no longer in a bad spot You can keep going But you've gained 10,000 followers That's all people care It's all self-serving Yeah every There's no, there's no advocating for a party Because of the American ideal The American dream It's all self-serving Yeah and I think people that want to tie themselves to a party Also Believe that it will get them attention And it's like the almost a cool niche thing to do Because in reality the average person doesn't know Who they're going to vote for in four years Or in eight years or in 12 years I was the spokesman for the Republican Party I am not going to tell you right now that in 20 years I'm voting Republican Because that's not who I am I don't know where the party will be I don't know who the candidate will be If you agree to tie yourself to a party You're doing it to make some kind of a statement No rational human being says I'm going to vote with this party For the next 40 years Hell or high No you sound insane for saying Exactly And you sound insane for tying yourself to a party That is, I mean look at both parties They've changed immensely Look at the Democrats that are now in Donald Trump's cabinet Things change and they can change again And the pendulum swings I think it's very strange How much people think that this should be a part Of your identity and your life When it really doesn't matter And the people that are heavily involved They know it doesn't matter But the everyday Americans don't When you leaned into politics What was the most sort of shocking personal cost? Friends, family Peace of mind I was mostly peace of mind Like it's just a gross place to be Why did you become the spokesperson then? I still don't understand that And you've told me this Like this is the podcast question But also like that No, I mean I don't know if I ever answered this Donald Trump was running for office Obviously right, it's the third campaign I've been in Trump world since 2016 I met my husband to Donald Trump My brother and I have the life that we have Because of that first campaign I have spent a lot of time with Donald Trump and his family When I debate and I talk to people about Donald Trump It's not political, I will never have A political debate unless I'm being paid to do it I don't care, I don't want to debate you I believe everyone should have their own ideas But I'm defending Donald Trump or his family It's because I know them personally And they've been good to me So I'm at the point This is early 2024 Donald Trump is in You know, full swing The last year of the campaign Donald Trump is fighting against I mean, indictments and attacks And everything under the sun I'm thinking to myself this isn't fair Like I know this guy did not do what they're saying He did, I know they're throwing everything at him This is the least American thing I've ever seen If I have a chance to get involved Maybe I should At that point The chair of the Republican Party Is voted out They vote in new leadership Michael Watley comes in As the chairman, Laura Trump comes in as a co-chair The family of Donald Trump, the president Former president At that point, I'm thinking maybe future president Asked if I'd like to be the spokesperson Of the Republican Party And I'm thinking to myself A, I have a responsibility here I'm the daughter of two immigrants Who came to the country with no money at all And I could be, you know, the face of one of two major political parties in this country That is a huge deal Or And be, I know what's going on isn't right I love this country more than anything in the world I have no loyalty to the Republican Party Democrat Nothing But I love this country I believe he's the best person for this country If I have a chance to do something good Like why would I not You know, do it I had a lot of, you know, fear A lot of people went after me And my family the last, you know, 10 years But it's just such an honor To be a part of it at that level And to know that this is the craziest election at least in my lifetime But probably in the life People's lifetimes It's craziest of the lifetimes And yeah, and I get the closest, you know, the real front seat to all of it It was a privilege and an honor and it was really hard at times But obviously zero regrets But yeah, it's a lot But hey, it worked NetSuite is a success story partner Now, what does the future hole for business If you ask nine experts are going to get 10 answers Bull market, bear market, rates will rise Rates will fall, honestly I just wish somebody would invent a crystal ball But until then over 41,000 businesses A future proof their business with NetSuite by Oracle The number one cloud ERP 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Because Donald Trump's name isn't on the ballot Or if we have just set ourselves up For the next 30 years of anger No matter who's on the ballot Because we're supposed to hate each other I really don't know Well part of it Part of the anger comes from his personality So somebody with less of a personality May not incite as much anger But they also probably You know Again, this is me defending him And his personality I spent a lot of time with him A lot of things that he says The people think he said It's actually not at all what he said Oh no, I know I can't report it really On text all I think actually He has a great personality And there's more good I'm sure I mean he's very tough And he says a lot of things and I get it There's a lot of things he says That if reported correctly People would actually like him more Because he's so down to earth And he's so funny And he's actually surprisingly normal So I don't know if it's the personality That's the problem Or if it's just the way that we report nowadays Where we don't report it Finally anymore, we report Based on the message we want to put out there And so no matter who the next candidate is If we don't like them We will twist their words And make you hate them No matter who they are And what they actually say Well, yeah So obviously that happens on both sides But I think that I see More Twisting of facts with liberal media Yeah I see it like all the time And it's actually It is very concerning How do people Listen, people are busy And people don't have time Of course To spend the energy To research every single bit of it I always say If I was not as close as I was Maybe I would hate Donald Trump If I was just reading headlines I don't blame anyone Who are feeling the way that they feel Because they all have Children and jobs And you know A mortgage and things to care about They only get to read the headlines Sometimes You don't get to research every speech He's ever made And see what he actually said or didn't say What responsibility do you think Falls on political leaders To heal the country And to sort of bridge This huge gap You know, I don't have a lot of faith In any political leaders I think it falls on us They're going to come and go A lot of them are going to be in there For a really, really, really long time I mean, if you look at some of these politicians I advocate really hard for term limits And there's a reason I mean, they've been in there for 10, 20, 30, 40 years I don't think it falls on them Because they genuinely don't care Like I would love to say Politicians should bring us together And I'm angry at so many politicians Who decided in 2016 Participate in tearing us apart But they don't care Like the fact is it doesn't affect their lives If anything, it helps them to fundraise If we're angry So I don't think the responsibility falls on them I think it falls on all of us Who love this country And want the best for future children And grandchildren to be able to play With those whose parents might disagree With how you voted Because it doesn't matter What in your mind Does it mean to be American Outside of like legal definition It's weird because again I have this mentality Because my parents are immigrants So I always say I have the privilege Of being the daughter of two immigrants I think about things very differently But Knowing how my parents were raised Knowing that my mom was beaten In school for being a Jew My dad said goodbye to his father Never seeing him again Finding out later on after his father died And the Soviet Union collapsed But there was a KGB file on his family And that the KGB was tracking his father And that's why he never got to see him To me that's what it means to be American Is that my parents had to live a very different life That I had to live But being American I mean we say freedom Right like what is freedom I mean that's really what it means to be an American A lot of people Everywhere around the world Have to live their life a certain way And no they don't have to legally Live a certain way even But they all live a certain way Because it's not a part of their blood And their culture And their personalities To try to be different It's kind of a part of ours You know That you can do whatever you want And you can fail at everything in the world But we encourage you to try That's American Which I love And I guess then the follow up question is We give so much leeway To try new things to think differently Like that is freedom Right How with that much leeway And freedom Do you see younger generations Having this rise of like anti-American sentiment Like I don't understand how Just the ability to be anti-American Like do you understand how privileged you are To be able to go through life And to even think those thoughts And vocalize those thoughts Because if you go to any other country And Anywhere Anywhere Almost anywhere Almost anywhere You would not be alive for long or ever heard of again So I'm so curious how freedom Leads to anti-American sentiment Which you see in colleges And I mean A It's almost a beautiful thing As much as I hate to see it How incredible that we live in a country Where you can burn that American flag And I was going to do anything to you Like how amazing that these kids can Spout whatever nonsense they want And say how horrible this country is And they actually get applauded Because we support speech even if we hate it Even if it makes us physically sick We will defend your right to say whatever you want So a part of me even when I see it I'm actually happy Because my parents weren't allowed to criticize anyone I'm packing her up Definitely not No So as much as I disagree A Still not People fought and died So that you can say whatever you want And it's beautiful that we let In 2025 We continued the American way And you can still do that Because that's what I fight for every day It's very easy to fight for people to speak Who you agree with So Hey I think it's great At the same time It's concerning Very concerning If you look at the numbers People get less patriotic With every generation And Young people don't know what they have And I think if people put their phones down And professors started Teaching a little more And maybe Stopped being activists And started being professors again People opened a history book Maybe Maybe even Look around What's going on in the world right now And it feels a lot better But You know it's a combination of being super grateful That I live in the country Where you can criticize it as much as you want And be being concerned That every generation Loves America a little bit less And People are to this day Fighting and dying So that we can appreciate what we have And many people don't understand that I mean what does that What does that lead to in 10-15 years from now I did knock her out with like Again like even if Just to give context Even if colleges or universities How we call them in Canada Were a little bit more Liberal Which they were I think I think college universities Are always Sque a little bit more liberal It was liberal in terms of like Criminal justice reform Or maybe Immigration is a little bit easier But it was all under the context of This country is great And we're going to try and improve The We're going to try and improve the country And we're going to try and make it easier People to win in this country Not This country's shitty It was never replacing the country It was like how do we Under the Under the frameworks that exist Make it Make life better This new Anti-American Whatever anti-country Really Idealism is Very scary And I've never seen a generation Grow up Hating the country That they're born into It's also like I'm watching the definition of liberalism change Because liberalism at one point Was a celebration of diversity of thought And most liberals would defend People that disagreed with them Because they wanted them to have That polar opposite opinion They wanted the diversity Liberal nowadays Doesn't mean that anymore That's not what we see So I think The problem is not that the college is lean left The problem is that they've changed the definition Of what liberalism actually represents They've made themselves into activists Believing that liberalism Is what they think is Being a supporter of something on the left And they should fight to the death for that The reality is that's not liberalism It's embracing the fact that people around you Disagree with you And being in a college or university Is the time when you're supposed to have those debates And those conversations And those different thoughts And I think we should just go back To that and that might end up With people disagreeing with America That's okay But that's not what they're doing right now They're not thinking it through And having those debates They're just teaching people that America is bad And that's the problem If you let people think And you let people debate They're going to end up with a very different conclusion You obviously have been an advocate for Israel Far before October 7th So what happened What happened to the world in October 7th When we stopped seeing This is going to be a leading question And obviously you know my opinion And feelings on this But when we stopped seeing terrorists As terrorists Like this again I feel like the way that I Question what's happening in the world right now It's as if I don't know It's as if like the reality that I lived in No longer exists It's like if you take me out And drop me in some alternate reality Where terrorists are no longer terrorists No, they're celebrated And they're celebrated And they're not only celebrated Their flags are celebrated in the US And the US flags are burnt And Israeli flags are burnt And a terrorist flags are Like you know Paraded down streets And nobody Right by like the twin towers Right, that's the crazy When you see the flags Of terrorist groups Like marching down Where the twin towers were And I don't understand what you said I guess I guess I was just surprised That there was such a dramatic shift That happened in sentiment That I was not aware of Because even when so My dad worked for For ceases Which is Canadian security Intelligence services And for heavily with like shin bat And also Intelligence organizations in the US And Canada It was always like Israel is the bastion of democracy And intelligence as well In the Middle East And it was always like They're the ones that have sort of They are the What's the phrase It's like you're the first I guess first line of defense against They're fighting our enemies Anything And for some reason All of that changed And I don't know when it happened But I realized it happened on October 7 When people were like Oh you know I don't know if it really happened Well I think they had it calming You know excuse me Yeah What People asked me like How did October 7 hit you And it's as awful as that day was And I remember sitting on the floor For like 10 hours straight Watching the footage and sobbing What happened after Actually hurt more Because I thought I'd wake up To the entire world Defending Israel Kind of like post 9-11 Right I thought the world was going to say Released I mean I think at the point October 7 and October 8 We didn't actually know How many people were murdered Yet we didn't know how many people were taken Hostage that it was very confusing But I thought I'd wake up that day And have the entire world screaming For these people to You know come home I know we knew some people were taken Hostage I thought we would You know be screaming about What just happened In the middle east I didn't think I'd live through that In my lifetime You know I've run a Holocaust museum A digital Holocaust museum And I'm sorting through Materials and images From the Holocaust The weekly I never thought I'd live through a time When the imagery I was seeing actually reminded me So much of what I Unfortunately have to Sort through from You know 80 years ago But that's what it was And then I woke up to a bunch of people Celebrating What happened Saying Israel deserved it And ripping down You know posters of Nine-month-old babies Being held hostage As if it was propaganda Or they deserved it Or whatever else God forbid people were sent But have you thought About what shifted in the world The lead to the change of sentiment I mean I think it was The last few years or a blur Maybe it was after October 7 But remember a year or two ago Maybe a year When Al-Sama bin Laden's letter Went viral on TikTok And all the you know 15 to 19-year-olds were saying Al-Sama bin Laden had a point Yeah I mean clearly the shift is greater than Just to do with Israel You know like it's nothing to do With Israel Anti-Semitism is easy So we all Bounce on attacking Israel Because why not scapegoat the Jews Were used to it But it's a lot deeper than Israel I mean we're celebrating terrorists And they will celebrate the terrorists If they did it here too Like how do we fall so far Where a night Whatever at 18-19-year-old on TikTok Things that Osama bin Laden Point How to point Actually Like what the fuck Is wrong with people Yeah you can totally curse This is fucking insane And I just don't understand how Like Because Who were the parents Who were the influences on those 19-year-olds That part I think has been good Because a lot of parents Talking to I mean I've talked to so many students And parents as October 7 So many parents had no idea What was going on on these campuses And they were you know paying hundreds of thousands of dollars For this education And then seeing their kid Camped out in a tent with the flag You know Camped out in a tent Outside the campus with the Hamas flag You know displayed on their face And they're wondering what the hell happened to my kid My Jewish kid very often too So I think that's the good thing Is people are like wait We can't put all this faith in our institutions Maybe the Department of Education Should not be educating my kid And be I should be educating my kid And I think a lot of people thank God woke up Because of that They had no idea that their kids were being sent away to these schools Coming back four years later And thinking of some of them a lot and had a point So that's been good People have actually woke up When did the when did the curriculum shift Is it's a while ago It's it's it's been a I mean I don't even feel like I'm 34 Yeah I don't like I was in university Okay what like 14 13 Whatever 12 years ago I don't remember like this was not something So That was relieved by my generation This is more to do with Israel But I went to get my masters 20 22 Yeah so I graduated in May a few months before October 7 Before I went and I went to UPEN Again great school large Jewish community That's why I wanted to go to Penn When I got into Penn They had an orientation for students before they you know accepted their Like accepted the I guess they said acceptance letter You have to you know accept the offer or not Before you accept the author the offer they had this orientation There's a Jewish girl there who was completing her masters in the same program And I asked her what is it like to be a Jew on campus Because I was curious I had heard stories I hadn't been in school in a while She said to me I'll never forget The kids in this class Would rather find out that you were at the January 6th Capitol right And that you're a Zionist And I was like okay So this is things are things are different And again Zionist just means you think Israel has a right to exist That's all that means So that's been used for many others Of course so that's when I realized things had shifted But I nothing could have prepared me for October 8th And for waking up and being told the Jews deserved it These kids deserved it It's propaganda knowing that you know The footage was blasted across every social media network And people still say it's fake Nothing could have prepared me for October 8th Or the 17 months since You know I've had a couple conversations with friends about this And They've kind of like oversimplified why there's so much anti-Semitism And I'm going to say this but I don't agree with anti-Zionism Which is I think synonymous But people will say that it's not I think they're just trying to Yeah it's a fun easy out to say I hate the Jews But a lot of the thought was For some reason Like Hamas and pro-Palestine groups Were really good at social media Post-October 7th And pro-Israel groups were not To the same degree And that was something that they leaned into And exploited so much that you saw Propaganda Everywhere And I'm just curious Because obviously you are in social media And I'm wondering how big of an impact You think that actually made on the world I hate being this person Because it becomes a very different conversation And we can talk about this for hours But the fact is social media has allowed our enemies To infiltrate this country In the easiest way possible By hitting the next generation Right? No one knows what's going on No one knows what 14-year-olds are doing on their phones No one can stop them from being on their phones Or being on these apps And anyone in the world can feed them whatever material that they want That has been the largest problem That has taken over I have a problem with politicians I have a problem with professors I have a lot of problems with a lot of people But the fact is when anyone in Russia And anyone in China And anyone in the Middle East Can access your 13-year-old And tell them how to feel and how to think About things like terrorism And change their mind And educate them in a way You don't know what's happening Because you're tuned out I do want to understand What your career looks like going forward But also I'm going to ask you like personal questions about how you manage stress Because I don't think You said this interview You said this is a dark interview Yeah because I have conversations with like entrepreneurs And they manage stress in a very different arena Right? They manage stress in business build The real world But it's not the real world I don't know But I don't think that many people Understand the level of stress That you deal with only because of the position That you chose to put yourself in Which is a massacre Oh, slightly So where do you go from here? Because you've, you know, you stepped out Of the spokesperson position Do you want to stay in politics? I'm assuming no I don't want to stay in politics No It's weird because I don't see it as politics Like I never saw myself even as Republican I was just a spokesperson for this movement And this candidate who I thought in this election Was the best most obvious choice for this country So I don't see it as political Would I work for a different candidate? Absolutely not A, I'm done, I can't take anymore and B I've grown very close to him and to his family And it's personal for me now And there's a reason that I fought so hard for them And believe this hard as I did That he was the best choice At the same time he's in for four years I'm to consider a job in the administration So you never know Pretty likely I'd put up for there I mean you've put on like you've put your own ambitions Side to a degree Yeah, I mean I've put my sanity aside It's not fair to say that what I've done It's not fair to say that what I've done We do this in another four years We should make the tradition like every four years Yeah, in four years We'll be sitting with our kids And what we're doing It's not fair for me to say I've put ambition aside Because a lot of people go into politics solely because they're ambitious And I'm not going to pretend that I don't have an amazing platform and following And career opportunities now Because I, you know, I did it That's kind of part of what I did it I believed in what I believed in But I'm not going to lie and say I didn't also bring me immense success It wouldn't have had me lost But it did bring me immense success So I don't want to pretend that that wasn't A part of it In my life, like a lot of people do I will advocate, you know, in media Like I do probably forever And one way or another because it's an amazing platform And I'm so lucky to get to do it And I remember But what do you, like what do you want to speak on? I get it, like I see you on radio This won't it? You see me on radio? You know what I mean I see you every time you go on like KGXM, 100 FM, whatever in New York Or whatever the, the channel There's channels that I'd never listened to And I trust real radio AM stations That I don't think anybody under 40 listens to anymore Or whatever you're on these stations So I'm on all the stations You're on all that you do a lot of media But what are you trying to advocate for going forward? I mean your guy is in office for four years Obviously you will always advocate for Israel But what is your passion now Outside of politics and Israel I don't know I feel like when I'm advocating And if I'm on television and I'm talking about something very often It's, you know, policy related And more likely than not It's pro-America, pro-Israel It's almost like surface-level stuff We can debate policies all we want And I'm happy to do it But until we get to the point of admitting For example, America good, terrorist bad There's no point in debating policies So a lot of it is actually very surface-level basic stuff Because of the low point that we're in in society But yeah, I mean I'm in media I'm on radio or television every day What frustrates you most about America right now? I'm not frustrated Like I'm not frustrated by America I think America is killing it I really do Compared to the rest of the world especially I'm frustrated by people Who think that they know who somebody is because of how they voted It's just like it's a very awkward place to be Because Not a lot of people know more people In this administration or in like Donald Trump circle And Republican politics than I do for example And I know all of them I like some, I don't like others But I don't have these feelings about any of them Because of their politics That's a who they are as people Yeah, and so for me, I just again It's easy for me to say that because I'm as close as I am But no one really is their politics Like we're all so much deeper And I've had better friendships And better relationships and better conversations These last few years with people who disagree with me politically Than I have with those who don't There's a lot of people who people assume I should be friends with Because we vote the same way, who I can't stand And it's just like a very strange place to be in Where I have so much hatred For a lot of people who vote the same way as me Just because I've met them over the years And that's what my circle is and they're just assholes It doesn't matter how they vote And then I love a lot of people who dislike A lot of the policies that I support or dislike Donald Trump And they still know that I'm a good person I still know that they're good people and they assume Because I support him as Donald Trump must be good too They just don't like his policies And it's so weird to me that that is like a foreign concept To people in America where it's so easy to understand that Because you can turn left and talk to one neighbor who voted Trump Turn right and talk to the other neighbor who voted for Kamala Harris And realize at the end of the day your kids have a lot in common You both want safety and security for your family You want, you know, to pay off your mortgage you want Same hobbies, yeah, you want to adopt pets And you want to raise happy kids And you want to celebrate your life forth together And that's it, like nothing else really matters Especially when you forget the core stuff And it's just it's a really sad awkward place To be honest, I most want to scream at people Like this doesn't matter And you're listening to people that are doing what they're doing And saying what they're doing Because it makes them money to anger you Not because they actually believe in what they're saying Because they can't I don't think many people realize this And I know that you and you know You can discuss whatever you feel comfortable discussing And I know that you're aware of like where money flows Much more than I am But I think that it's important First of all that that whole idea Is very important for people to understand Like people are not their policies Or their 2016 vote And also the people that are the pundits That are on Fox You know 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time And if you're having a hard time And if you're having a hard time And if you're having a hard time And if you're having a hard time And if you're having a hard time And if you're having a hard time I don't know, but I'd say a lot of the ones That you think are really really decent people Even if you disagree or agree with the policy aside The ones you think are like decent good people Are real scumbags And some of the ones that you cannot stand You actually have a really good time Getting coffee with Like you really really wouldn't you hate yourself for it Because America now believes you have to But you really would have a good time with some of them You know, you mentioned that Trump was Sort of not politically But just like in terms of his work ethic Who is the person like very inspiring Especially when you started out What was the most important lesson that you've learned from him Over working with him for years now I mean everyone talks about this And people always say that like his legacy Will be this policy or that policy And you know, a lot of it is great Especially if you you know on that same side But again, politics aside Donald Trump According to a lot of people Was supposed to die in jail Like everything was done at him this year In 2016 he wasn't supposed to get near You know Hillary Clinton He was supposed to lose the primary At 2% where he started and call it a day Everybody laughed at him Democrats, Republicans Pundits on TV, fellow politicians, world leaders Every single person laughed at that man That was 2016 2024 he was supposed to end up in I mean people thought he was going to die in jail And now he's president of the United States again Again, I get it Politics aside if you hate him On the policy side Try and put it aside for 2 seconds The man had a saying And he said it long before he ran in 2016 But like now it rings a lot deeper You can never ever, ever give up And like I have seen that man go through hell and back I've seen his family go through hell and back I've seen my own family go through hell and back for him And like anytime I face with any obstacle at all I can remind myself that this guy became president When the whole world was laughing at him And you can do absolutely anything you want to do If you believe in yourself That's powerful I mean it kind of puts Personal problems in perspective When a day's not going right And you realize the guy was shot at Like the most powerful government In the world was trying to put him in jail And even if you believe he deserved to be in jail Which of course I don't But imagine going through that and waking up every day And still fighting and trying to become president Like I mean a fraction of what he goes through would break most people Yeah it broke me quite a bit And I would do nothing compared to him You can answer this question in two ways You can answer it through just life in general Or through your time with Trump What was the darkest moment that you've gone through in your life And how did you pull yourself out of it You mean like Trump world or just in general It's up to you it's open-ended I mean in general obviously in the campaign Like there's been dark moments January 6th was a dark moment Losing the election was a dark moment Your boss getting shot in the head Not knowing if he was a Liberna Is a dark moment The FBI going after my family It's a pretty dark moment It's a pretty dark few years A lot of people ask like why I didn't walk away From the campaign knowing the investigations Would have stopped against my own family For example Was that implied or was that explicitly said Yeah the whole point was To really scare people out of walking away from Donald Trump Because if he lost his core staff Or his staff went bankrupt for example Because he had to pay all his legal fees Then they'd eventually walk away from him And he'd have nothing left That was the goal Again I don't want to get into it too far Because I know people feel about it And if they disagree they're going to stop listening right now If they disagree with Donald Trump And so I don't want that I want people to understand that we're all human beings How you get through something like that Right so I'm going to say there were a lot of dark times on the campaign But I would say apart from the campaign I've had dark times as a human being I mean when I started in politics Was again an accident I was thrust on the world stage Because Donald Trump tweeted about me randomly I didn't expect that I didn't know he was going to do it And when one of the most powerful people in the world No he was president That point the most powerful person in the world Tweets your name out Bad anxiety problem already And the entire world tells you you deserve to be dead Like you know I had developed a stomach ulcer that week Which I still have to suffer through I couldn't get up for three weeks Physically could not get up because I had a bleeding stomach ulcer From the anxiety I caused myself I was terrified to go outside Because you know every message you're getting Is telling you that you deserve this horrible thing to happen Or that horrible thing to happen And again at that point especially I was basically irrelevant The whole world knows who you are and is talking about you Might a lot of family members turn on me Because they believed a lot of what they read in the media Which now they know isn't true But our relationship is fractured forever Again I'm stuck with that stomach ulcer That I have to deal with now Nearly seven years later That I'm still trying to deal with A lot of anxiety I grew up pretty quickly Unfortunately because I have no doubt Yeah I liked being a child But that went out the window You know again it goes back to Donald Trump People always say you have to believe in yourself That's what they tell little kids And I always thought it was a cliche Like why do you believe in yourself? What does that mean? But the fact is truly no one is going to believe in you If you don't believe in yourself And it sounds like such a cliche and everyone says it But if you don't like who you are It doesn't matter if anyone likes you ever Because you won't be able to rest your head at night No one's ever going to believe in you And any success that you get So learning in the hardest moment Where everyone is telling me how horrible I was That it wasn't true And be that I had to convince myself That nothing mattered that people said about me What matters what I thought about myself That was really really really hard But really really important And I don't think it's clicked yet To this day if someone says something I almost want to message them And prove them wrong Because their opinion you know If it's the right topic will hit me Talk me what it means and how powerful it is To believe in yourself And apart from the policy or anything else That is the greatest gift you can give anyone Is encouraging them to like who they are And to believe that they can do whatever Their heart desires Even if everyone around them is trying to stop them I would say that you again operated one of the most Like a high stress environment That most people could ever find themselves in So what part of yourself And this can be a lesson for somebody that Is even going to experience like a fraction of the stress that you've experienced What part of yourself did you have to give up? Like what did you have to give up that wasn't serving you When you put yourself into a job, a career, a business That would stress you out as much as this day I mean, A, I'm going to be curious what I say to you in four years Because I think I'm still growing and learning And trying to become a better functioning person Like my husband will tell you And he bullies me all the time So you know how he feels about me But he will tell you that I still let my anxiety get the best of me And the overthinking and everything else At the same time And I tell everyone this You have to be busy You end up having more time to grow And learn and think and accomplish things when you're busy When you're free, you have free time It's not the same But when you're busy, it helps you Because you can almost see how great you can be When you are forced to be under Like all the pressure in the world So I'd say I have learned to like myself more When I have tried to bite off as much as humanly possible And accomplish all of it Because I have realized that when I actually put the negative thoughts aside I am invincible And I think we all are But when you have too much time You can sit there and come up with all the bad things about yourself that you want Because that's what society encourages us to do That's a whole other conversation But the fact is if you really, really put yourself Out there And you try to accomplish everything that you can Even if you fail You will start to like yourself Because you see how capable you truly are And I think that's been the best part of all of this Sometimes I've actually had to shut off my brain and just keep functioning And just keep doing And then it's like oh holy crap Like I'm actually pretty good at this And I'm actually pretty cool And maybe my negative thoughts were what was holding me back Did you ever have imposter syndrome when you jumped into any of these roles That's the one thing I don't suffer from Really? Maybe I'm like people are describing it to me wrong I had the opposite of imposter syndrome I'm more like why am I You were never nervous when you So candidly I also feel the same way I just feel like I jump into stuff And I'm not too stressed Because I feel like if somebody else can do what I can do it to I mean you told the story About sending that kid up to To his to Trump's office And saying hey, like hire me It doesn't necessarily sound like somebody That has massive amounts of imposter syndrome But I am trying to pull out Like a little bit of a lesson For people so that they can emulate That amount of courage And that doesn't come natural I've always lacked confidence I've never lacked courage Explain, I've never heard that before So we're getting deep, even I don't know where that came from I very often will do my 10,000 TV interview And like having anxiety Knowing for a fact that I'm fine and can do it And I've never messed up in a great way on television And I can still do it but I still get anxiety Because I'm a perfectionist and I lack the confidence To believe that if I, you know, just keep doing this I'm actually, you know, very good at what I do Like I'm always overthinking My parents were very tough Russian parents Growing up and they always taught me someone Out there's working harder than you Keep working hard and never believe that you're good at something So like I always... That's tough advice but I like it Yeah, I mean someone's always better than you And you can always get better So I lack the confidence still to this day And everything I do, even if I've done it a million times Even if you think I'm great at it I am sweating and overthinking Because I have to keep trying to make myself better But I've always said that you have to have the courage to keep doing it And I always wish that I could calm that part down And tell myself you're so good at what you're doing That's why you're here But I've never lacked the courage Because life is so short and I've always wanted to... I've always believed that if it worked out And I got there, I'd figure it out when I got there And if you don't try, no one's going to be the chance anyway And I know too many people By the way that are really, really stupidly confident But don't go for anything And that I don't understand I lack the confidence but I will shoot for the stars And everything I try to do I feel the same way I think that I've always wondered what gives somebody that ability to just take action I don't know, it's such a hack And if you don't feel like If you are listening to this and you don't feel like you have that ability I think that I've thought of this before Parents definitely help Or hurt But I think that also Just keeping track of the times that you've won or succeeded And keeping a record of that really does give you the confidence to go forward and take action against the next thing Also, I was a competitive figure skater I think that's where it comes from That's true too, right? Also, I played a lot of like... Yeah, sports helped a lot too And that also made me hyper competitive But also, doesn't have to be competitive like you and I, like young sports You can do sports, you can start at 40 years old And you'll still get the same, like a lot of sports Figure skating, for example You can start right now and have the same experience I did doing a triple jump You have to close your eyes, count to three and just do it Knowing there's a very good chance that you fall And knowing that you have zero confidence because you've never landed the jump before Knowing you're probably going to fall Because that's how gravity works But you have to close your eyes, say one, two, three, and take off And if you fall, you have to get up and just do it again And that's, that's life What keeps you up at, you know, three in the morning What keeps you up that people wouldn't know I don't know, this doesn't count as imposter syndrome You're probably, you can tell me what it's called Just feeling like I'm not accomplished And no matter what I do I think that's a little bit of delusion, but that's besides the point That's probably what, that's what my parents say But yeah, I mean, it's wanting the world to know that I'm remotely qualified And that none of this was luck And again, it's also reading the negative messages that say you're here Because you're pretty or you're here because you're this or here because of that That's unhelpful But I think everyone, whether they have those messages in any platform or not Very off, I mean, I know a lot of really accomplished people that will tell me I'm nothing So it's not just me But yeah, it's wanting to make my parents proud and wanting to look back And think that I did everything I could possibly do And you say that I'm young, but in my brain, it's my modeling agents Or my figure skating coach is telling me that 29 is, you know, basically 60 And my best days are behind me And I know none of it is true But I'm scared to like get complacent and get too comfortable, get too confident And stop reaching for the stars And ironically, that's why you'll be successful Pro I mean, people, people go to different sort of dark places to fuel their ambition I do think I go too dark Like I don't encourage anyone to be as crazy as I am But I do think that the people that are the craziest and that never feel comfortable And that want to keep shooting for the stars are the ones that end up succeeding You told me that Yeah, I know I believe it I think we were at dinner And you're like, if you just keep going eventually, it's going to work That's how that works That's a percent, I believe it And I think that you have to lean into different reasons as to how There's different things that you have to use to be able to keep going And I mean, I listened to a Mr. Beast interview on Darva CEO And he said like, if I cared about my mental health, I wouldn't be successful That's me I don't think that's a good lesson I don't think that's the lesson But I think that there's a less intense version of that Where you are outside your comfort zone and you're not living in this nice little bubble And that's why you're successful Right, I just think it's like a little bit of what you said too Making a list and reminding yourself every week of what you accomplished that week So that in six months when you're having one of those breakdowns about not being accomplished You can look back and say, holy crap, look what I did in six months You have to do that, I'm just like I should probably start doing that Like just fucking right out your resume I'm going to start today Please If you could go back and have a conversation with yourself When you first started working with Trump, what would you want to tell yourself? It's going to get so cool Like, I thought I was going to be a volunteer I thought I'd volunteer And then, you know, I'd tell people about this cool experience And I'd walk away And I ended up hanging out with Donald Trump Making a guy president multiple times to get into the White House Not a bad job Yeah, but again, shoot for the stars Because none of that should have happened to me I should not have been there that day I shouldn't have sent a stupid letter Shouldn't have asked the volunteer to send it up You never know what God has in store If you think about sort of the stress and anxiety that you deal with constantly Because I know your personality too So I'm curious if you've developed any useful coping mechanisms If somebody else could use for their own stress or anxiety in their life And I know you're laughing Because you know that anything I say is a lie Because I'm always stressed I don't think it's a lie I'm not asking you a question like telling you to go lie I think that you probably don't 100% of the time deal with it well Trust me, I believe that You know But I think that there's also some things that you've picked up that could be useful for somebody who's dealing with like high stress moments It's hard because again, I'm really privileged on the personal life Like I really, I know a lot of people that don't have the support system I have So it's almost unfair for me to tell people to lean into that If you have it, lean into it Because there's gonna be days when you're like, holy crap But anytime with my dad is the best thing I could possibly have done this week Like that just made me feel so much better And when I'm 95, of course I'll remember the times with Donald Trump But more than that, I'm gonna remember the time with my dad So I'd say if you have the personal life that I have That I only realize as an adult how privileged I am to have Lean into it hard That's all that I mean at the end of the day To all that matters is you know doing that I'd say genuinely what has helped me And it's important advice too just in general to make people better people Volunteering has helped me so much I started when I was 16 because I was in a dark place and so on recommended to me To go to a local soup kitchen and just like do something with my time Because I was really in a dark place And I have not stopped since then and I mean I volunteered in how many states And how many soup kitchens and shelters and you know so many organizations I have my masters in nonprofit work, I have a nonprofit I just started But just volunteering Because it's not about knowing that people are doing you know worse than you or whatever it is It's about how good it feels to help someone Genuinely and that's when you realize that like maybe helping that person or helping 20 You know 30, 40 people that I helped serving soup or whatever it is Was actually a hell of a lot more meaningful than getting that degree or getting that award Or whenever it is that is stressing you out It has been the best thing that has happened in my life The last 10, 15 years It's such a good feeling I've never had somebody tell me that answer And it's so easy you know just look up Because you're serving someone else And you realize that your problems maybe are not as big as And your problems aren't as big and be like you have access to something That's actually so much more meaningful than what you thought was the most meaningful thing in your life five minutes ago It is a really really amazing thing It is what has kept me grounded and sane for the last 15 years If people want to connect with you learn more about what you're working on All the websites, socials, all of that It should just be my name so it's Elizabeth Pipco I think Instagram, X, Facebook Yeah, just google my name try not to read the stories and you'll find me somewhere The last question I like to ask And we're going to ask this question again in four years from now But out of all the different ideas or lessons that you've learned over your own life What is the most important one that you'd want to pass on to your kids and why? So I have it on my wall right now And I didn't realize how important it was to like weigh you know into the future But when I was little I love to do my school work in my dad's office I just felt like you know an important person and when he wasn't home I'd be in his office doing my school work And he had a little card on his desk It was a Ralph Waldo Emerson quote Because do not go where the path may lead Go instead where there's no path and leave a trail And I'd like to read it to myself every day as a little kid when I was like You know daydreaming and not paying attention to my school work And as an adult I remember thinking about the quote and like why it meant so much to me then It is so easy to do it You know your friend is doing what this one tells you to do What's difficult and what's special is doing something different and inspiring someone along the way My entire life has been people bullying me for doing the weird thing You know don't try to like leave your school and go to the Olympics Don't be home school, don't volunteer for political campaign Don't support Donald Trump God knows what else and part of it has motivated me Because when people tell me I do something I do it which is not very smart But in general don't go where the path may lead It is so much cooler and more special to go somewhere else And hopefully make other people feel like they can do the same as well