Dennis Prager - Radio Host & PragerU Founder | Why Traditional Values Are the Foundation of Success

I can't believe something if it doesn't make sense. Are more likely to believe in things that don't make sense than even religious people. My life is work into a certain extent has been to bring the Torah to the world. What if a single voice could challenge the entire educational establishment? Dennis Prager, a broadcaster, author and co-founder of Prager You, has spent decades doing just that. If you don't have wisdom, you can't do good. If you rely on your heart or even your conscience, the chances of you doing good are very, very small. You need wisdom. The greatest miracle is that you and I are talking, that you and I exist, that the universe exists. If one doesn't see that as a miracle, then one doesn't understand biblical faith. From his early days advocating for Soviet Jews to becoming a nationally syndicated radio host, in 2009, he co-founded Prager You, a digital platform delivering concise videos on topics ranging from history to economics, all through a conservative lens. Gravity is the mother of the two biggest things in life, goodness and happiness. The secular think it only God and really religious people think it only reason. And they're both wrong if you want to learn and grow doesn't matter how old you are. In this episode, we delve into Dennis Prager's journey from radio waves to digital platforms and explore how he's reshaping conversations around education, values and culture. Dennis, I'm excited to do this. This is going to be a lot of fun. So you have taken a very ambitious task of making ancient biblical wisdom accessible through rational analysis. I want to understand what sparked your first realization that this bridge between reason and faith is necessary. Oh, that I can answer quite easily. That's the only way that's the only way I have faith. If it doesn't make sense, I don't believe it. It sounds radical and by the way among believers, it might be radical because many people in any of the biblical faiths or any faith do not allow something not making sense to impede their belief. And I'm not saying they should. I'm just saying that in answer to your question, I can't believe something if it doesn't make sense. But I want people to understand something. This secular people are more likely to believe in things that don't make sense than even religious people. So I know anyone who is not religious or the religious, they believe in so many things that don't make sense. And by the way, to a certain extent, that's true. But no religious person believes men give birth. Millions of secular people say men give birth. Now, to say the least, that doesn't make sense. In fact, it's a lie. So no secular person should be on any high horse. We are impervious to the irrational, baloney. Reason is rare among believers and among non-believers. Maybe just for people who don't know your work and sort of your background, just very briefly give us like a brief background of the role that God played in your life or the inflection point. I think you grew up in a modern orthodox Jewish family. So obviously God was always there to some degree. But what was a notable event or notable moment that reinforced the idea of God, religion, even the Bible, the Torah in your life? I, again, I'm an outlier for better or for us, but I know me and I know a lot about the world. I, this, I march to the beat of a different drummer from a very early age. I, and I'm very open about my life. And the reason for my hesitation is because even though I say this often, it's not easy for people to hear, especially religious people, I find the, the commandment of God difficult. I, I've always found it difficult. I still find it, if I believe in God is easy, atheism doesn't make sense. A creator makes sense. So the, there's no question to my mind that there's a God. But loving God, which is a commandment in the Bible and, and for Christians that's the first great commandment, the second is love your neighbor. And that's why I say I know that for many religious people this is difficult to hear, but I'm very honest about all of my faith. I'm open, not forget honest. I'm open about it. Given all the suffering on earth, the unjust suffering, I find it hard to love God. I work on it, but I do love. There is something religious I love, and that is the Torah. And while I love the Bible, I love the Torah more. That's the first five books of the Bible. They, they have a special role. They are the basis of the old and new testaments. It's everything is there, creation, garden of Eden, ten commandments, love God, love your neighbor. It's all there. If the Torah wasn't there, there would be no Judaism, there would be no Christianity, there would be no Western civilization. The problem is that most people don't understand these five books. They have a vague notion of some of the stories, and that's the end of it. So my life has worked into a certain extent, has been to bring the Torah to the world. And my final statement since you asked about God and my life and so on, I only say I don't believe in the Torah because I believe in God. I believe in God because I believe in the Torah. It is so unlike anything else ever written. I can't believe it was man-made. Why do you think? And I have ideas, but I need to understand yours, obviously, this year, I don't mind, but I do believe that society is increasingly getting more secular, and there's less God in society. And I think there's a whole host of problems that come with that for a variety of reasons. The most basic of being if there is no traditional version of God and people's minds, and they replace that God with some other version of God. But why do you think, or why did you think that it was very important to draw these rational analyses from Torah to show this bridge between a biblical text and how we sort of live our day-to-day? So in order to answer you, I have to first make the case for wisdom. Wisdom is infinitely more important than knowledge, and infinitely more important than IQ, infinitely more important than good intentions, a good heart. Wisdom is everything. And without wisdom, no good can be done. We can't rely on good intentions. The number of people who supported the greatest mass murder movement in history, communism, with good intentions is very large. So intentions mean nothing. Why did anybody in the West support Stalin? One of the two greatest mass murders in history, the other one being Mao, Hitler's in third place, and at least in terms of numbers. And the answer is they were fools, and a fool is the opposite of a wise person. That's the opposite. Wisdom foolishness, they are the polarities. So if you don't have wisdom, you can't do good. If you rely on your heart or even your conscience, the chances of you're doing good are very, very small. You need wisdom. And there's more wisdom in these five books than anywhere else in the history of the world, in my opinion, and my job is to explain it. Because if you read it on your own, you will get obviously something out of it. But somebody needs to, it's like I have a trainer. I work out three days a week. If I didn't have a trainer, I would do some exercise, but it would be a joke. If it weren't for the trainer, I would do it wrong. I wouldn't do it as hard. I wouldn't do it as consistently. You know, she's like all trainers, she's somewhat of a sadist. And that's, I'm joking. I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, because yeah, there's no pain, no pain. It's as simple as all, but I don't, I'm not good at inflicting pain on myself. I could, a trainer could do it, and so on. So anyway, you need a trainer if you read this stuff. And I'm your trainer, as it were. I make sense of it all. And on the rare occasion that something doesn't make sense, I say I cannot explain this. This doesn't make sense. And by the way, one of the biggest, one of the few, I did come, I didn't have an explanation in volume two, but I did have an explanation that I came across for volumes three and four. So I explain just about everything. It's interesting because I do believe that everything we're trying to figure out, all the wisdom in the world is already, the majority of it has already been sourced. Maybe less, you know, Elon trying to get to Mars. Maybe there's some, maybe there's some new things we have to discover there, but a lot of the wisdom that we, that would help us figure out our day-to-day, it's there. It's in, it's in, it's in, it's in, Bible, it's in Torah, it's in things that, that's right. Yes, yeah, exactly. That's the reason that wisdom is eternal, whether it's from Homer or Aristotle or Genesis or what have you. Wisdom is wisdom. And that's why I say, of course, look, the musk, I believe, does have wisdom. And the reason musk has wisdom is that the pursuit of truth is essentially the same thing as the pursuit of wisdom. And we don't have a pursuit of either truth or wisdom. If men give birth is an example of we have contempt for truth. You can't become the other sex. You can gain my, you can gain all I would say respect, but you can gain my acceptance of, of you, that's as a human being. You're a man, you say you're a woman, you dress like a woman, you, you, you, you, you don't have facial hair, you, it's you look like a woman, dress like a woman, I'll address you as a woman. Son of my business, what, what you were born or what you are biologically. But I, if you ask me, kind of man, become a woman, you're asking me a stupid question. It's not possible because we're not just genitalia, even if you, if you could change genitalia and you can't, you could change the cosmetics, you can't change the genitals. But even if we could, we can't change the chromosomes and we can't change the brain, the male brain, I, I have a funny line on this. I always say, I'll believe that a man can become a woman. If a trans woman, all of a sudden starts finding things, because any married man knows that his wife finds things that, and he can't find them. Do you know, it, this is a really funny story. I was, I think it was in Pittsburgh and I, and I couldn't find my tablet. And, you know, the, the electronic thing that you, you, you, you, right, okay fine. So I couldn't find my wife. That's right. I called my wife in LA and I go, honey, I, you know, here I am in this Pittsburgh hotel room and I, I can't find the tablet. She said, oh, well, I'm, I'm all sure it's under the sheet in the other bed. And that's where it was. So my wife finds things when she's thousands of miles away. Anyway, my only point is you can't become a man. You can't become a woman, but it doesn't mean that I don't address you as whatever you appear. That's, that's, that's, that's fine. That's not an issue. So, but back to my point, the pursuit of truth and the pursuit of wisdom are almost synonymous. Now, when somebody reads your work, they're going to, they're going to, they're going to see a couple things about because you address both doubting God and arguing with God. So somebody's listening to this, they're saying, hey, wait a second. You just made the argument for, there should be more God. There should be more religion. It's a net positive in society. That idea without understanding conflicts with the idea of doubting or arguing with God. So where does the doubting and arguing with God come into this narrative? Well, the name of the, of the, the people God shows to bring him into the world. Israel, what's the name of the Jewish people in the Bible? It has a definition. And it's, it's not my definition. It's not King James definition. It's the definition given in Genesis when God changes Jacob's name to Israel. He, the name is explained. It's in Hebrew, Yisra'el. El is God. And Yisraq, Lehasri is to struggle with. So the name Israel means struggle with God. And therefore, by the way, the first Jew, the first monotheist is Abraham and he argues with God. It's an extensive argument over God's desire to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah for their evil. Arguing with God is actually a healthy thing. I don't like meeting robotic religious people. I don't like meeting robotic secular people. So you, you're not only, it's not only okay to struggle with God or argue with God. It's sort of baked into the formula of belief. And as regards faith and doubt, it is, I don't know how it's possible to live life and never doubt God. I don't know. Some people, it may be. And, and I quote an orthodox rabbi. I quote a lot of Christians, but in this case, it's a rabbi. He said, God created doubt. I thought it was a very intelligent line and he goes on why God would. If God wanted us to be absolutely certain about his existence, he could, he could, he could have made it that. He could have made that. When you think about faith and miracles, because you speak a lot about faith in miracles, where does this place, where does faith and miracle play into the concept of God and religion and the Bible? Because I think that if somebody, if somebody feels that they want to, if somebody feels that they want to start to believe or start to read into the wisdom of the Bible, they feel like there should be some miracle associated with God and their belief in God. They feel like there should be something that should happen in their life because they're putting their energy into into God. For somebody who's secular, for example. So where does faith and miracle play into this whole, into this story? Well, first, you're probably right, but it's not my premise. If God didn't do any of the biblical miracles, I would believe in him just as much as I do now. The, the, the greatest miracle is that you and I are talking, that you and I exist, that the universe exists. That's, if you don't, if one doesn't see that as a miracle, then one doesn't understand biblical faith. That's the miracle that anything exists. So the thought that I need another miracle like a split C or 10 plagues or, or for Christians, Jesus walking on water or, or the lobes and fish, I mean, the, or our own wine, this is, look, that since you converted to Orthodox Judaism, you may have heard the phrase, I know it in Hebrew, Al-Tiswohel-Anase, do not, do not rely on miracles. The, the, the ultimate miracle is our existence. And if one doesn't see that as a miracle, then I don't understand the nature of one's faith. 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And for a limited time, Prolon is offering success story listeners. You guys, 15% off-site wide, plus a $40 bonus gift when you subscribe to their five-day programs. Just go to prolonlife.com slash clary to get your 15% discount in your bonus gift. Prolonlife.com slash clary. Why do you point to another piece of wisdom that we can sort of pull from numbers? You point to ingratitude as a source of evil. Why is that? Because it is. There is no kind in great on earth, and there are no mean grateful people. Gratitude is the mother of the two biggest things in life, goodness and happiness. You can't be good, and you can't be happy if you're not grateful. And that's why God is so ticked off at the Jews in the Bible. One of the reasons I believe in the Torah, and I believe in the Torah, not only as valid and true, but as God given, is because the Jews would never have made up how awful they come out in their own holy book. It had to have been ultimately God is the author. There was no example in any religion on earth that its holy book depicts its group so negatively as the Jews are depicted in their holy books. So either the Jews were so morally superior to anybody else that they could do this, or it was a divine authorship in some way. That's what I believe. Because the Jews don't come across all that great, and in the Torah, non-Jews are heroic. Noah is a heroic non-Jew. The daughter of Pharaoh is a heroic non-Jew. Jethro, the Midianite priest, is a heroic non-Jew. So God, as I write in my commentary, God is not ethno-centric. He's ethic-centric. So this is why, so now I see another argument that you made, and the argument that maybe somebody who's secular or somebody who does not believe in God, they say, well, I don't need God's and the Bible as a moral compass because I have a conscience. And you make the... The conscience is reliable, a silly putty. You know what? Every Nazi had a conscience. Every communist had a conscience. Every murderer in prison has a conscience. The vast majority of human consciences are worthless. Unless the conscience is designed by a sense of values or a sense of a transcendent moral source higher than the conscience. For a handful of people, the conscience is sufficient to make a good person. That is one who does good. For the vast majority of people, we shape our conscience to comport with what we're doing. Murderers do not lose sleep at night. I know this from people who have worked with murderers. It is the very rare person who does bad. The only people racked by guilty conscience are good people. And they're not that many of them. So you have to be a well-educated secular fool to believe that the conscience is sufficient. So then what's the rational interpretation from biblical wisdom that would be a better version of a conscience for... Not a better version of a conscience, just a better version of a guide through life for somebody. Well, for one thing, God knows your behavior. So I give real down-to-earth examples. I actually did an hour on this subject on my radio show. So about a year ago, I rented a car in Minneapolis. I travel almost every week of the year, and almost every single place I rent a car. I like the freedom of a rental car. I don't want to be picked up by a local person. I don't want to take an Uber. I like to take my camera myself. So I rented a car in Minneapolis, and the car they gave me was particularly big, a suburban. I wasn't used to driving... Well, I do drive an SUV at home, but not the size of a suburban. So I got stuck in between two cars in a parking lot. And there was no way I could extricate the car. I scraped the side of one of the cars. You know, it wasn't horrible, but it was damaged. So I left a note, I damaged your car. Here is my phone number. So I'm very open about this. There is part of me, a serious part of me, that said, God is watching you, Dennis. Will you leave your note or not? Will you leave a note or not? I could have gotten away with it, like most people do. Most people don't leave notes. I mean, they've done surveys. Most people do not leave a note if they, they're certain they could get away with it. They just drive on. So A, their conscience isn't bothering them. And so you're asking, what is the substitute? The substitute is God watching me and judging me. That's why I am not a big fan of God loves you compared to God judges you. I don't think you're going to get nearly as good a human being from God loves you as you would from God judges you. So yes, I believed that God was aware of what Dennis Prager was doing at that moment and that if I didn't leave, leave a note, he would be annoyed with me, even perhaps punish me. And this sounds primitive to the fools who think conscience is enough, except I would like to find out the question, those who think God is watching and those who think conscience is enough, which group will have more people leaving a note at the car they scratched? You do a lot of research into history of various civilizations that have fallen. When you look at where current Western society civilization is heading, what do you think 50 years from now society looks like if we continue on the trend of less God more secular? Well, go to Harvard and you'll know the future of Western civilization. Go to Berkeley, go to almost any university. They're moral wastelands, spectacularly unhappy people, not having children, not getting married and ruining civilization with a broken moral compass. The more elite the university, the more support Hamas has. Hamas are the Nazis of our day and that they are happy to acknowledge, just like the Nazis wanted to annihilate Jews so do they. That's it. There's not an argument over politics. They wish to exterminate Jews. That's their charter. They have support at the elite universities of the Western world. We will continue to remove girls' breasts, healthy breasts if they say their boys. There is no hope for a postbiblical West. No hope. Freedom will be abolished because the freedom of speech is not a left-wing value, it is a liberal value, but not a left-wing value. I have no hope for a postbiblical society. So this is a rational interpretation of a Bible is really a drop in the bucket of what has to happen to stop society from going in a very dark direction. This is one piece of work in the world that's a net positive, but what else do you think really has to happen? Like if you could have your perfect version of how do we move in a correct direction and not a direction that basically destroys all the affluence and the freedoms that we have right now? What's the? Well my long answer, my long answer are the five books that I'm writing. So the fourth is coming out now, the rational Bible. You can't intuit the correct response. Wisdom is learned. You can't intuit physics. You can't intuit math. You can't intuit a foreign language. You have to learn it. You have to learn right and wrong and it has to be God-based. There's a law in the Torah that you cannot favor a poor man in a court room. Okay? Because the Torah is preoccupied with justice, not social justice. There is no Hebrew term for whole social justice. I lecture in Hebrew. I know Hebrew really well and I know biblical Hebrew really well. There is no term social justice. It's a made up term by the left like environmental justice, racial justice, gender justice. Whenever you add an adjective, why do they add adjectives? Why isn't the left just for justice? Because they're not for justice. If they were for justice, they wouldn't add adjectives. The moment you add an adjective to justice, it's not just. If you don't favor, if you favor the poor man in in in the court room, there's a poor guy and there's Bill Gates. Oh my can't stand but doesn't matter. You rule by justice. You don't say, well, he's so poor. Of course, I will give him the judgment. That's social justice. Favouring the poor guy against the billionaire in a court room is social justice. It's not justice. So again, these are not things you into it. You have to learn it. And that's the reason I've worked so hard on the on the rational Bible. This this will give you you asked me about in gravitude. The the Israelites get out of Egypt. And what is the first thing they do? They complain to Moses. Take us back to Egypt. The food was better. You know what lesson there is to learn how relevant that is? People don't yearn to be free. That's a myth. It's like the conscience. It's baloney. It's wishful thinking. People do not yearn to be free. People yearn to be taken care of. The big difference. They prefer it to be slaves with food they wanted than free with mana from heaven. There's a few things you bring up that I think are interesting prospect or interesting points because they would be things that would turn someone off from religion. So you mentioned two points. You mentioned why can only men be priests which could if somebody's looking at this from the outside in they're saying well that's an antiquated outdated thought why is that this is exactly why I don't subscribe to religion. And then the second idea is a fanaticism. So these two ideas obvious I mean these ideas turn people off from religion amongst others. So why would those ideas first of all explain to me your perception on those ideas sort of potentially from a secular perspective an antiquated ideology as well as fanaticism. And how do they play into someone's interpretation of Bible, of biblical literature. So with regard to the priests the the the Torah is adamant that there is a unique division in the human race between man and woman. It's the only division that really matters. The Torah doesn't care about color division and it's not even noted. We're all created in God's image but God created human being male and female. That's the beginning of the creation. Well I think it's 127 Genesis 127 I think. So the very beginning we're different male and female are different. Therefore there will be religiously speaking different roles. Now secondly speaking they don't have to be different roles. If the wife is making a lot of money as a CEO and the husband is not making a lot of money as a teacher then clearly most couples will opt for relying on her income and then he'll take perhaps the care of the kids more. Okay that's there's no Torah position on that issue. That's just common sense. But when there's a religious role yes there is a desire to preserve the male female distinction and we do we do have there we have different roles but that's exactly right. And by the way it is not help Christianity or Judaism or dating with them. No so that was my question though it was like reconciling reconciling like what people would be would consider to be outdated beliefs because if if somebody looks at one idea as outdated then that person maybe turned off from the entirety of the concept of religion. You're right that's correct so my task and any serious religious person's task is to explain why it's not outdated. It's not in keeping with what you learn at secular universities and from secular media that's true. So one of us is wrong and in the meantime we have data. No religion that has ordained women has thrived and that's just you say you may say well it's true but it's not they're not related facts okay that's fair you can say that. 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prager you you put out a lot of different content you teach on a lot of different topics but this one is probably this one's probably the most important yet the most difficult to communicate its importance to a secular person so if somebody is just going down the rabbit hole and they've never consumed your content like what's outside of everything we spoke about today what is the and I do think there has to be an argument compelling enough that somebody will start to consume start to pull out wisdom from the Bible from the work that you're doing so what is that argument what is like the the lesson you want to leave people with or the or the wisdom or the insight so that they start to go down the rabbit hole they start to look at the wisdom how they can apply biblical wisdom to their own life and their own problems well that is why I have I have not devoted my life and I brought a lot of people to the Bible based religion I mean a lot I I claim and I'm if I'm wrong just tell me give me a name I don't I don't know if there's a Christian living today who has brought more people back to church than I have and I'm a Jew saying this I don't know who has brought more Jews to Judaism who is living today than than I have and it sounds like a boast it is a boast I it's not an insult I think it's a boast but I'm not saying it to people to pat me on the back I'm saying it because I want people understand how why I'm effective I do not argue for God's existence I argue for God's necessity and that has that persuades people far far more because if you believe God exists it doesn't change your behavior it's okay now I believe in God great okay well I will I act differently tomorrow probably not the necessity question is everything why is God necessary that there is a judge watching and who judges you and who is giving you a guideline in these five books on how to lead a wise and good life that's big deal that wisdom is there's no secular institution with wisdom not one the most the most radically secular institutions are universities and they are the the the stupidest of all our institutions there is more idiocy at the universe and I've said this since I was in Colombia in the 1970s this is not new it's just worse today I mean they they they said men and women were basically the same when I was at school in the 70s but today it's gone beyond that now you not only are men and women not different if you think you're a woman you're a woman I that they didn't say that in the 70s this idiocy is relatively new they were they were morally confused about the US and the Soviet Union that was my field of study Soviet affairs I'd learned Russian I'm with the communist countries regularly and I was taught that you know it's not a moral battle America and Soviet Union it's not freedom versus tyranny it's two superpowers fighting for hegemony on planet earth so when I when I when I make the argument for the necessity of God in the Bible it resonates when people start to consume this work what would be your advice on how they can start to incorporate some of these ideas into their own life if they are not religious yeah well they will I mean for example you can't read my my extended analysis of ingravitude and stay ungrateful I mean just as just as one example or my my explanation of the 10 commandments and how important honor your father and mother is it's the only the only of one of the 10 commandments that has a reward and as I point out and this this has affected I don't know maybe millions of people there's no commandment to love your parents there is a commandment to love God to love your neighbor to love the stranger but not to love your parents you don't have to love your parents you just have to treat them with honor you have to honor them now I know people say well what if my parents you know horribly abused me and molested me okay fine it's it's like saying yeah people should obey speed limit laws but what if somebody in your car got a heart attack should you still drive slowly now exceptions don't prove anything there are times that seatbelts kill people yet it's true that seatbelts save lives so why I think honor your father and mother is so important is that Nazism and Communism and all tyrannies begin with the reduction of parental authority and that's what we're seeing with the left in America that's how I know that unchecked it will lead a to tyranny because it undermines parental authority in in Minnesota and California there are laws that if your your eight-year-old daughter says she's a boy at school you cannot inform the parents of this case that is amazing yeah your kids in California now fed lunch and breakfast at school all that says to kids is the state feeds you not your parents if you wanted to I mean you've put out these books now if you want to leave the audience with one last piece of wisdom what would that last piece of wisdom or insight be yeah basically if you want to be a good human being if you want to be a happier human being the there the these five books provide the answers where do you want to send people to consume more of your information but I didn't want to interrupt your thoughts so we can get that out oh no no that was that was that was that was sufficient that you asked me to summarize it basically a couple of sentences look people should go they should read the reviews on the rational Bible the volumes that have come out again brand new volume four volume four is coming out now and there are about five thousand reviews and many speak of it changed their life I spoke at Brown University in Rhode Island a couple of weeks ago and a young man came over to me a student at Brown says I'm I'm from India that it was clear and both is looking as accent said I just want you to know you you've made me conservative and I go thank you and I said but that's not all you also brought me to God and and I said wow thank you for telling me oh that's not all and I converted to Christianity he was a Hindu and so here's a Hindu telling a Jew thanks to you I converted to Christianity and and I I don't see how a rational person reading these books will not be affected because it addresses reason it if you if you really care about evil which is what my preoccupation I want to reduce evil on earth then I would ask people to read the rational Bible and by the way it doesn't matter which volume you start with I you should read all them I don't say this to turn money folks just for the record nobody writes Bible commentaries to get rich okay oh wow he's written a book on numbers he's going to make a fortune okay nobody ever heard of numbers which is the fourth of the five books but I would actually ask people to get the newest one because then you'll realize it's not because of the famous stories of Garden of Eden or Ten Commandments these five books are so awesome it doesn't matter which one you start with but might as well start with the latest got my latest insights so it's called the rational Bible numbers but you know the question is if a person is convinced that they know what is good and they know what is true then you know and that they they have reached some ethical pinnacle they may not want to read it because but you know what the best people on this earth they there there is never a point where they are are finished learning so I think this is oh yeah that's right that's the beauty that's correct my dad died at 96 and I remember watching who he's about 95 I mean he's reading he's avidly reading a book and I remember thinking wow you know he's at the stage where he doesn't buy green bananas and there he is devouring a book on you know with one foot in the next world but that if you want to learn and grow it doesn't matter how old you are and it doesn't matter like you mentioned before it doesn't matter what faith you are either I mean this is something oh no totally that when I write these books my vision is will I persuade a peasant in China who never heard of the Bible never heard of it that's that's my target audience the intelligent rural Chinese that's very true that's a great that's a great avatar if you can find a way to communicate a compelling message that person yeah we'll put all the we'll put all the links in the show notes I mean what's the best website of people because you're going to keep writing what's the best website people should go to well Dennis Prager.com and you see all things this I asked this question to everybody before we close it out just one last thought you've had a great career many seasons to your life in your in your work if you could go back and you could tell your 20 year old self one thing what would that be so I'll disappoint you probably and and many of many of your viewers and listeners I was given a gift at 20 I was given I had a lot of wisdom at 20 I'm really living out what I understood then was important and I'll give you one example I knew a 20 I mean knew I really knew that I will be old one day and I will die one day and I was a very happy young person and I'm a happy old person but I I knew that the key to life is to be able to look back at when at some age and think now I did I I let a full life I let an important life I did good I made an impact on some other people I I didn't live for the moment how am I do how much money am I making now it was never a question for one day in my life if I made if I made good money it's a blessing but I didn't want to be poor but I I had zero ambition to be wealthy zero I knew what was important to 20 so there isn't much I would tell my 20s year old self