Lessons - How He Went From £50K in Debt to Millionaire by 30 | Rob Moore - UK’s #1 Business Podcaste

In this lessons episode, explore why financial success begins with emotional discipline, rather than income alone. Discover how viewing money as a neutral tool transforms decision-making, understand why emotional spending keeps people stuck while strategic investing builds wealth, and uncover how mastering internal triggers leads to smarter financial choices and lasting success. I want to ask a couple of mindset questions because you have a couple points that you speak about often, I thought are really interesting. So two, two takeaways from mindset, and you can choose which one you want to go into first, but I want to cover both. So relationship with money and then mindset of a broke person versus a successful or rich person. I think that both of those are interesting and you have opinions on those. So I'd like to go into those and just to talk about your experience with relationship with money as a mindset as an entrepreneur. Wow, I could speak for a week on this straight. So money is simply a tool created by man to create a universal fair exchange to increase the speed and reduce the friction of interpersonal transactions. That's what money is. But the Bible says that the love of money is the root of all evil. So many people who have religious beliefs are indoctrinated with a negative mindset around money. And in some religions, lending money and charging interest is a sin if you like it's it's even I think illegal is certainly immoral in some religions and cultures. So the Bible, I can't say the Bible was wrong because I don't know the context in which it was written. But what I can say is the love of money being the root of all evil that is wrong. That is wrong. What is evil is humanity because money isn't conscious and money doesn't have emotion. So money can't be evil. They imagine someone committed murder with a hammer. You wouldn't try the hammer for murder and put the hammer on trial in front of a judge and jury. Because the hammer is a tool and we all know that the hammer is a tool and none of us debate it. We don't go that hammer is evil. And when we put a hammer get a hammer and it nails in a piece of word we don't go this hammer is virtuous. It's a hammer. But money is no different to a hammer. A hammer is a great tool of leverage that humanity created. Money is a great tool of leverage that humanity created. Money is one of the greatest inventions that humanity has created because it universalized value and it removed friction for exchange. And it allowed us to trade from little villages to globally. It's a brilliant invention. But money never murdered anyone. Money was never greedy. Money was never powerful. Money was never evil. It was human beings. Now some people will say, oh, but money made them that way. No, it didn't. Money can't. Money doesn't change you. It makes you more of who you already are. So all money can do is exaggerate your traits. If you took a billion and gave it to a philanthropist, they're giving that money away. If you took a billion and gave it to a drug lord or you gave it to find a war, a gambler, an addict, then that's where it's going. So the love of money is not the root of all evil. Money is a tool that can be used for evil and good based on the values of the individual. So if you want to get really good at making money, you separate emotions and money. Just like you're not emotional about a hammer, you just know what it does and you use it well for what it does. Because you can turn a hammer around the other way and you can pull a nail out. So you can use a hammer in a few different ways and money is the same. It's a brilliant tool. It's a brilliant tool. I can store value from something I bought or sold. That energy can be stored in money and then I can buy or sell something to you across the world and transfer that energy from me to you. So when you know that money is amoral, a emotional and a conscious and it's a great tool for universal exchange and you learn how to use the tool really well, just like nunchucks. You can use it to learn how to use nunchucks really well or not. Then you transcend all emotional and moral and judgment around money and you just use the tool well. And if you want to change the world, get really good at making money and then do good things with that money. Is that the now, how does that dovetail? Maybe it doesn't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but how does that relate to mindset? Is that the difference between a poor person's mindset and a successful person's mindset? It's the relationship, the healthy relationship with money as a tool versus something that is evil and people have too much of it and you shouldn't base your whole life on pursuing it. Is that the difference? Yeah, so a few definitions to clarify. So if you are developing world poor or you have never had education because you have lack of resources, then you don't have the same equal opportunity as someone who's just broke, whereby they're raised in America or England or Australia and they've got access to the internet and libraries and podcasts, but they're still broke. So let's go on broke rather than poor because poor isn't your fault because you could have been born into no nothing, no, no different. But most people who we talk to are probably if they haven't got any money, they're probably broke over poor. So the mindset of broke is quite complicated, but to simplify it, it is allowing your emotions to control your spending and not having a knowledge and wisdom of how you leverage money and value properly. So a broke person will always spend more than they earn, but a fundamental law of money if you want to appreciate it is to never spend more than you earn. A broke person will buy depreciating liabilities with money. A wealthy person will invest in appreciating assets with money. A broke person will use money to alleviate their volatile emotions. They feel really good, they celebrate. Oh, I've had a really good month, we're going to go on holiday. They feel really bad, they spend emotionally, spend a load of money to try and make themselves feel better. Whereas wealthy people can separate the emotions and they can go right, this is the budget, this is the forecast, this is the investment, this is the saving, these are the projections and they can remove emotions away from money. So in a way, I would say a more profound conversation to have around money is not the mindset of money, it's the emotions of money. And what emotions are, they're a level deeper than mindset because mindset is what you think. Emotions is what you feel, but I think most people feel before they think, ie, they're triggered. I think when you're triggered, you feel before you think. And so I think impulsiveness is to be triggered, triggered by society, triggered by media, triggered by how our parents raised us, triggered by how we perceive corporations and billionaires, etc. We become triggered, we're hijacked with emotion and then we make a decision and we don't, it's not mindset. Mindset is a thought process to understand why we're triggered. Why did I hate rich people? Because I was broken, I hated myself. I wanted to be rich and I'd sold myself out. And that was embarrassing to admit, but it was easier to hate the very person that I wanted to be because it made me feel more comfortable in my own misery. But that's a very difficult thing to be self aware about and to admit. The reason I'm triggered by this person is because it's a mirror and picks a scab of all the disowned parts of myself. That's a fucking hard thing to admit. But that is, that's not just mindset mastery, that's emotional mastery and that's mastery of your upbringing and your background and not blaming your parents and all these things. So you know, if you want to make it simple, the difference between the broken, the rich is they're able to control their emotions around money and make more balanced financial decisions in an untriggered, neutral emotional state. Whereas broke people are always spending emotionally. That would be actually the binary thing. If you were to put a gun to my head, Rob, I need one that transcends them all. The difference between the broken, the rich, that's it. And I don't think anyone tells you that because everyone's using the word mindset. But if you upset me and trigger me, I'm not thinking straight. I'm just riddled with anger and emotion and shame and vengeance and all these other bubbly and that's when you're the least clear. you