Kam Dasani - Strategic Investor & Trader | Why Everything You Were Taught About Money Is Keeping You Poor

Retirement plans don't actually retire you, and that's the irony. I've never spoke to a super successful person that's actually where I want to be that said, yeah, man, like the 401k got me exactly where I needed to go. What if the life you're chasing was built on rules you were never meant to follow? Cam D'Assani has built his path by rejecting convention and stepping into spaces where most people hesitate. I lost 215 minutes getting robbed at gunpoint with automatic rifles, because in that moment, dude, the way it feels to be honest with you is like, let's just not die. Those are the four words, like let's just not die. Just lay down, waited, was gone, they drove off, and I'm like, okay, I'm broke. When I was broke, I took new risk. That's what the problem with people is, is that once they take a risk and lose, they do not risk again and wonder why things don't work out for them. He's focused on building, scaling, and moving where opportunity actually exists. From navigating high stakes environments to building in competitive spaces, he's learned one thing. Opportunity doesn't wait and neither should you. The reason I make three to five million a year after losing 200k is because I almost lost my life. The American investment middle-class system is built for YouTube fail because you do not have a lot of money. The bank is taking your money and doing riskier things like trading options and kicking you back the dog. Cam, first of all, thanks for coming on and thanks for coming down to Miami. I want to start with this idea. I've listened to a couple podcasts you've been on. You speak about 401k's, S&P 500's, index funds. You believe the entire financial system that most Americans trust for their future is designed to keep them working until 65 to access their own money. You believe that it's not meant to actually help them. That's a super serious claim. Walk me through why you believe that. Yeah, so retirement plans don't actually retire you and that's the irony. So I've never spoke to a super successful person that's actually where I want to be that said, yeah, man, like the 401k got me exactly where I needed to go. Or yeah, man, I just put my money in index funds and that's how I got rich. So the reality is understanding index funds do work, but only if you already have a lot of money or you're willing to wait forever. So you need to understand that there's a difference between wealth preservation and wealth acceleration. The American system teaches you to accelerate wealth, quote-unquote, through wealth preservation tactics, meaning yeah, if I put my money in S&P, I'll do 7% a year. But if I have 10 grand, what is 7% a year? You're not making a lot of money. You're not changing your life. Even if you compound over and over and over again, 23 grand a year, the max you can put in your 401k, it doesn't come out to that much when you're 65 to retire and live off of forever. So the retirement plan doesn't retire you. The people that set up the system are doing riskier things and more profitable things with your money and kicking you back the dog. I was reading your story just to prep a little bit for this and you were making $250,000 a year in Silicon Valley. So obviously very young as a career, that's a great career. It resonated a lot with me because I was making a lot of money young, working for companies, but I never saw a viable path to retirement. Now, today I have a much different view on what retirement should be, but I never figured out, okay, how do I live the same life that like my dad lived when he worked for the government, had a pension, retired Canadian, so different than 401k, but same concept. I don't think that that retirement path is available to many people anymore because they depend on their 401k's and they don't have these guaranteed pensions that companies used to offer, which they don't anymore. So your story actually resonated a lot because it's the same, it's the same thought process that I went through when I quit corporate, but talk to me about your story. So you're making $250,000 a year in Silicon Valley, obviously working in tech. This is everything your parents wanted for you and you still left. Just to go back to like 2017, first job out of college is at a company called Veeam, so V-E-E-M, FinTech, Blockchain Payments Company, basically a B2B software company. Goldman Sachs and Google were investors. They eventually raised a hundred million, so we all got paid. That's where the tech money's coming from. It's coming from valuations that may or may not be real, meaning Veeam is unprofitable. I can say that. It's true, I was there, but they raised a hundred million, and maybe today they may be, but if I were to bed based on what was happening there, I think they kind of all went back to Canada. No, no shady Canada, but like they came to SF and then they left. The point is they are a Canadian company. They are. I know them. They had an office in Toronto. That's what I'm saying. So the point is I was there and I was like, okay, everybody's telling me to do this, but nobody's where I want to be. And I'm 22 and my colleagues are like 30, and they're like, yeah, man, max out the 401k, S&P 500, don't do Bitcoin. Bitcoin was just becoming a thing. My sales manager though was a little bit different. So he was connected with a lot of people that worked at Goldman, bankers, hedge fund guys, because Goldman Sachs was an investor. So I started to meet those people through him. And I was like, okay, why is Steven, shout out to Steven, by the way, why is Steven making so much money outside of this company? And it's because he's doing things that no one else is doing. So he's telling me about Bitcoin and Ethereum. He's telling me about trade. He's not even telling me about trading options. He's trading on Robinhood. And I'm confused. I'm like, are you day trading? Because that's the term, right? Day trade, day trade. And he's like, no, no, I swing trade. I'm like, what is that? He's like, well, I can't day trade because you know, we have calls and we're busy. So it's really hard to do, but I can swing trade, which means I can enter a trade and then not worry about it for that day. I can worry about it the next day. I can worry about it the following day. I can worry about it two weeks from now. I can worry about it three months from now. That's what a swing trade is. It's a swing over time. So how I can explain this to a beginner is you can put $10,000 in Tesla stock today and wait. And it won't do much for you. Pretty much ever. Like it might in 20 years, because everyone that has a common sense, anybody that has common sense knows Elon Musk is smart. Tesla is a good company. There are electric cars everywhere. Let's buy Tesla stock. The market's not going to reward you for that because you're not that smart. Anybody knows that. The market rewards you for making specific predictions in the stock market, which is why people that work at Goldman and companies like Goldman Sachs are making way more money than you because they are trading in that way. They're making predictions about what's going to happen in the stock market. Specific. Let me give you an example. Tesla $500 call April 18th expiration. That means Tesla is going to go to $500 by April 18th at the latest. Now that's just a random, I just made that up. But the point is that's the format. I'm making a very specific prediction. So to get back to the story, I saw Stephen doing this and he's making a couple of grand here, a couple of grand there. He's like, can also people are going to like talk shit about this Bitcoin thing? Just buy it, keep buying it whenever you can, like whenever you have extra money, and just like wait five years, please. And I'm like, okay, I put 20 grand in a Bitcoin up 4K. Price point. My dad is like, I tell my dad about it excited. My dad goes, you fucking idiot. Oh, can I cost you? Okay. What are you doing? Like, he's a PhD like AI engineer. It actually works with us now, which is ironic. That is ironic. Built up one of our algorithms. But super smart guy PhD like, but he couldn't see that vision. And I could. I was like, Stephen knows something these other guys don't. That's so interesting. And that's how you get tapped into opportunity. It's network. My uncle, who's my mom's brother, invested, sorry, not invested, made six million on pre IPO Uber shares. You think people can just walk into Uber and say, I'd like to get pre IPO shares. No, it's because he was in real estate leasing the buildings to these tech companies, meeting the founders. So it's who you know that gets you the opportunities that are too good to be true. So you're making good money. He's making a little bit of money on the side. Obviously, it's cool for you to learn to invest. But what was the thing that made you say, I'm going to completely sort of rework my view on what career is on what life is and quit my job. And then become an entrepreneur, become a trader, become a full time investor. Because that's much different than what he was doing. He was just doing this shit on the side. And by the way, he's still doing it on the side. And I would even say it's better than most people who just depend on their company for retirement. Correct. So Stephen, actually, he still makes 300. Well, at that point, he was making 150. And I was making 120, which when I was 22 years old, I'm 31 now. That was great money. Now he makes 300 ish. Like, I know his title and stuff and where he works. But like, he's not full time. He still does this part time and makes an extra six figures doing this. Like, he's very good at it now. So this is not supposed to be a job replacement. If you don't want it to be, this is supposed to be a part time trading strategy. Okay. The problem is people try to trade full time, which is why 99% of people fail. They say 99% of people fail trading. Well, yeah, because you're doing a full time trading strategy day trading is a full time trading strategy. You need to watch this shit like a hawk. I see these guys. They go for they go for breakfast with me. They have their computers out. That's my point. You can't do that while working to W2. So I was fortunate enough to be introduced to a trading strategy that actually made sense for my life and then continue to do it for years. So even just to like, if people are watching right now, I'm going to log into my account and just see like, I'm doing this live. Okay, we're up to grand today. Okay. Now, is it a screenshot? No, the numbers are moving. Like, is it a screenshot? Do I really a lot of shit? No, no, no, they don't. I just know no other traders can actually show this. So this is the year, right? We have multiple accounts. And this is like a fresh account that I grew to 83K this year. So this year. So let's look if that's true. One week, 15 grand. Is that true? False. That's true. This isn't a lot of numbers on a screen. Explain what you're actually doing here. So this is a brand new Robinhood account. A brand new Robinhood account means I grew this this year from 10K to this number 82. And it's fluctuating. Now, for how did I do that? Through options trade. So if I scroll down, you can see a lot of options trade. Some are in the green, some are in the red. But the ones in the red are not over. That's what people don't understand. For example, Bitcoin is down right now compared to an all time high. If somebody came to your door with a Ferrari and said, hey, this is a brand new Ferrari for Portofino, it's 50K. Do you want it? You would say yes because you know it's going to sell for 200. So that's the logic. Now, just for people that think it's too good to be true. One month, look, we're only up 2K. This is why this is important. Trading is not about month to month income. It's about quarterly and yearly income. Can you win on a quarterly? That's why I showed you three months. We're up 40K. But I'm only up 2K in one month because we're waiting on positions to come true. So I sit and I have multiple accounts testing different theories. So once I'm right and different strategies, I can introduce those to my clients. You're showing that you know what you're actually doing and it's actually working in this real money and a real Robinhood account. So now go into the so just for people that have never traded before. So you're talking to a wide variety of people. But a lot of people that listen to this are more entrepreneurial. So they probably invest to a degree. I'm sure I should actually survey but I'm sure most people listen to podcasts that are into Bitcoin and crypto and they mess around with at least some investment strategy. So what that is doing is you are betting on a potential future outcome. But it could be a month out. It could be two months out. But there's levels to this shit because you can also I see this shit on my coin base. On my coin base, I see people doing like Bitcoin 15 minute futures. That's Bitcoin futures. Yeah. Explain the differences because of somebody because even myself, I think I'm not too stupid. I still don't understand all the different options that there are out there. Options. Yeah, exactly. And I think that that's what confuses people and screws people over because when they think about trading and they think about a potential future event, then you could say, well, how can you predict the future and what happens if I get it wrong? And is it just a matter of like hopefully making so many bets that the majority of them work out, even if some of them don't work out? So just walk through somebody who's never done anything except put money into an asset and held it. Because I think that's probably where most people are there. Most of my clients are there. So that's me, for example. Yeah. There's a hierarchy to invest in the markets. There is the 401k and S&P, which you'll get 7% a year after inflation forever. There is buying and holding stocks, which if you bought Tesla in 2018 and waited till today, do the math, you put 10 grand in 2018 and waited till today. That's eight years. You would have made 150k, but you have that long to tie up 10k. Some people don't, but that's a great return in eight years still. Okay, but that's Tesla. Other stocks didn't do that. Other big stocks didn't do that. There was an 11 year timeline on Nvidia. You would have made one million if you put, I think, like 10k or 50k or something. Yeah. So it just like you don't know, right? Then there is, let's talk about the categories because you brought up like crypto and Bitcoin and stuff. There's crypto and Forex. The reason I put those in the same category is because they're unregulated industries for the most part, which means even, I'm not going to say his name because he didn't say it on the pod yesterday, but I was on the pod yesterday and he said, bro, I lost a lot of money and a crypto thing. And I'm like, yeah, a lot of people have because the people can screw you over, meaning the projects are small so they can rug pull. You can't rug pull Tesla. Yeah, you can't rug pull meta. And we've all lost money to this shit for sure. Of course, I lost money to it. So Forex and crypto are unregulated. So whatever trading strategy you employ with that, you better be really good because I didn't want to go down that route knowing it's unregulated. Okay. Then there is the US stock market. You can once again buy stocks like normal people do. You can trade futures, which trading futures is a little more time sensitive and complicated in the sense of it just requires more focus and attention. And we've seen this because me and my partner, one of my partners, Mahul Patel, ex rocket scientist, worked at Goldman Sachs, built a futures algorithm for Goldman Sachs. We taught 50 people how to trade futures. And we found that we had success stories, but these were the guys that were so focused and locked in that they became successful. The rest, it took too much of their time and they needed something more automated, which is why we moved them to that, which we'll talk about later. Options, you can day trade options or you can swing trade options. And this is what you do. This is what we do. Okay. So we locked in on this because this is what Stephen introduced me to in 2017. I stayed with this strategy for myself because I'm like, swing trading options is actually part time. These other strategies are not day trading options is full time, but we have an automation now. So if you don't have the time to do the day trades, we can automate it for you. Is that like copy trading? Yes. So it's an SEC compliant API for people that don't know what I just said. An API connects two things together. The Uber driver needs to know where to drive, right? So maps, ways, connects to it. That's an API that connects those things for it to work. We have an API that connects your trading account to my trading account. So let's say you're a client. I have a hundred K in my account. Let's say I put 10K into one trade. You have one, you have 10K in your account. One K goes into that trade. So you've the same percentage. You match that. Correct. We have an SEC lawyer on staff. We've set up the business to be fully SEC compliant. And it is the most powerful thing because none of these trading companies or gurus or bots, right? People sell you an AI trading bot. How do you know if he's doing the same trades? With mine, you do. You're connected to me. So if I win, you win. If I lose, you lose. So my skin is in the game. So I have to perform. I've had friends that have lost a ton of money with AI anything. And it works for like three months and then until it doesn't. And then it just goes to shit. So I think that this is why when people are and why I'm trying to dumb it down, just make it simple for people is because there's so much noise out there that that the noise and all the options and all the things that have gone wrong or all the things that you've seen, you know, oh, so and so like a friend of mine lost 400 grand with an AI bot and then the guy fucked off. And it worked for like, you know, I think it worked for about six months where they kept saying, hey, we're getting more returns than we've had with anything else. And then all of a sudden, algo doesn't work or something doesn't work. And then it all goes to shit. And you're hoping that it's not a Ponzi scheme. But ultimately, it didn't work out. They lost 400. I have like so many stories like that. And I think that that's why people get stressed out about where do I put my money or who do I trust? Because first of all, they don't understand the 25,000 options of different things you can put your money into. And secondly, even if they do understand it, they don't know who to trust. So those two things layered onto each other means that people just don't make any kind of move with their money. They just leave it in an asset. And whatever, at least leaving it in an asset is better than doing nothing with it because if it's in your checking account, you're basically losing money. But still, there's so many other options people could do with their money if they understood things and then knew who to trust to actually listen to. Right. So this is this. Okay. So if we're talking about swing trading options, I want to go back to your story in a second. But if we're talking about swing trading options, so people make a future bet on something happening with a company with the US stock with something, they put money in. If that works, then they, and I'm assuming the bet, there's a chance of that working out. And there's like a spread on that kind of like a percentage of it happening or not. And, and that's what indicates the return. Yes. So there's a strike price, which when I said, like, for example, Tesla, five, or I'll do one more right now. Just give you a free one. Gold, 550 call, expiration, January, I forget the actual date, but January, 2027, I forget the day. But that's what was something. That's the bet. That's the bet. Gold on gold, GLD is gold on the stock market. Gold is going to go to $550 by this date. It can go in that direction and we can start getting a return. It doesn't have to hit that target, but it can go in that direction and we can start to win. That's what's important. So there are trades where we'll pull out at 20% because we, that's the conviction we had. 20% compared to what the actual prediction was. Yes. There are trades that will pull out at 100%, which means we doubled our money and it was correct. And is it's a strategy more or less like making a whole bunch of bets and hoping the majority of them work out? Yeah. So let's even see like right now how many trades were actually in. So I'm just laying out the whole framework so people can understand exactly what they're getting themselves into. Yeah. So we're in between 10 and 20 trades total. Okay. Cool. Okay. So you make a whole bunch of bets. Yep. All have different expiration dates. All have different conviction levels, which means like, dude, like if we just wait this out, we're going to buy back some money. Right. If we just wait this out. But this one, we're just looking to scrape 20% on this one. Right. So the goal and my strategy of it goes around two things. One, this is not about hitting home runs. The problem with crypto is that unless you're just investing in Bitcoin and Ethereum and things that make sense, all the altcoins, which by the way, I've made a killing off some altcoins too. But I knew like, you can have insider information with crypto and it's not illegal because it's crypto. It's not regulated. It's always the same way with the US government. Well, they know I just can't do that, right? But like, like, there's insider information in crypto that I had that made me half a million dollars on one coin. Okay. The point is most people don't have that insider information. So they're gambling on altcoins that they don't know anything about. That's that's like angel investing in a tech company, but you're an idiot. So you don't know what you're doing. So you just throw money in. My strategy is involved around understanding what's going on within companies, technical analysis behind companies. I don't want to get to in the weeds of it because that's not what what your audience wants. But also understanding that something exists called the efficient market hypothesis. Okay. What that means is there is no point in competing with Goldman Sachs. Why do I say that? Goldman Sachs does one thing or any investment banker hedge fund. One thing, 90% of the time, which is by a bunch of stock and just get a small percentage return, but they put so much money in that that small percentage is a lot of money that they're making. Most people put 10 grand get a 5% return who cares? It doesn't change your life. And you got to wait a long time to get it. Now, that was 90% of the Wall Street strategy. 10% is a hedge with options, which is what we do, but we do it 100% of the time. That's why. So we're a big fish in a small pond competing with only 10% of what Wall Street is doing as opposed to 100 or sorry, 90 where most people are actually doing what Wall Street tells you to do because they know that if you compete with them, you'll fucking lose because you don't have enough money. Also, Wall Street can only put money into so many assets because of the amount of money they move. That's another thing too. So you have a lot as a smaller investor, you actually have a lot more options than Wall Street does. Well, you can't put billions into everything in the world because you just can't. Not everything can take billions of dollars. But as an individual, you can put your 10,000, 15,000 into things and it's not gonna fuck up the market, right? So this is an option too. You have options for investments that actually Wall Street wouldn't have. And I think the Buffet wouldn't have and all these players wouldn't have. So I was looking at sort of your strategy. So you trade and tell me if this is correct or not. So you trade five stocks over and over. Is that true? Yes, but we also trade a lot more now. Okay, so what I had here was Tesla, Nvidia, Meta, Apple, AMD, which we trade all of those things. So I have multiple traders on my team, right? I have one trader that is focused on those things and he's really good at that. Then I have another that has about 50 different tickers or stocks, Bank of America, Verizon, different sectors. And he's very more well-rounded and now with the war and volatility, which we can talk about too and why that actually affects the market. Because I think beginners don't actually know or like regular people don't actually know why it affects the market. No, they probably don't. They just know that it does. Yeah, it just does. And they can just talk at a coffee shop about it. Oh, yeah, it does. We know it does. But why? Well, here's why. Well, let me answer your question first. So the tickers that he trades during the run of last year, the biggest bull run or one of the biggest bull runs, April to like August, tech was very hot. We were doing a lot of call predictions, which means we're predicting things are going up. That's why we traded those stocks a lot. Now there's a lot of volatility. So we have more tickers because more sectors are being affected. And we can predict that things are going down in the short term. Example, we just hit a Microsoft put for like an 80 to 100 percent gain. Microsoft put means we're pet predicting Microsoft is going down. Why? Well, to make it very simple, war, Iran, gas prices go up. Gas prices go up. Americans spend less on products. Microsoft goes down. You're now I'm now I'm understanding the strategy. So you pick companies that actually do not have a lot of volatility like these are blue chip more or less companies. And then you're saying like based on me studying this company extensively, what's going on in the world, I can make a prediction based on in the short term where this company is going to go. So you're removing as much risk out of the bet as possible, basically. Correct. My uncle, for example, his stock portfolio just stocks, not options is down three and a half million right now. But that's because it sucks down. But his options portfolio is up six figures. So because he trades with us, right? So he makes predictions that we give him in the short term that makes sense. So how do you make these predictions? Like outside of just being in it every single day and understanding how the world is impacting a company or the market or what like what do you look for? First of all, like I sort of laid out sort of how a layman would understand strategy. But what do you look for to actually make a smart prediction so that there's a good chance that it actually works out? Because I'm looking at your numbers here. It says that you have a 90% win rate. That was last year. I would say it's less now. It's more 70 75% 80% on. We're still winning more than you're losing way more. And the percentages matter too. So like we'll hit 100% trade and then a 20% trade and then we'll lose like a 10% I think that this is important because I think that options it doesn't have like a great reputation because I think people I think a lot of people actually get into it to think they're a lot smarter than they are. Myself included. And then they make a bet and then the bet goes sideways and you're like I fuck this. This is just this is just like gambling. I've had clients come in that say, Cam, I lost 40 grand trading options. I'm like cool. How do you trade on my own? Meaning they didn't even tell me a strategy. They just said on my own. So I'm like, oh, you can't even tell me the strategy and they're like, well, I was just trading on my own. I'm like, okay, they come in. These are the people that have a strategy. They can't tell me what it is. They're quotes on strategy. It doesn't work, but they still want to do it after they've paid me. They're like, Cam, why did you make this prediction? It's down 12%. I'm like, is the trade over? No. It's like, why did you pay me then? Like, you know what I mean? It's like people have a strategy that lost them 40 grand, but then want to come in, pay us, then not do it, and then complain when a trade is in the red. Here's what people need to understand. A trade is not lost until it is sold. The same way a stock is not lost money until you sell your stock. So if I have an expiration date on a trade that is in June of this year and it's down 20%, we just had an Amazon trade go down 80% and now it's up 50. It's like, and then we sold. We just had to wait. It's like saying this, if you walk up to a girl and she's like, you're like, hey, how's it going? She's like, not bad. How are you? But she doesn't tell you you're the greatest thing of all time. Did you lose? No, you just need to talk more. Of course not. Yeah. So people don't understand how the world works, which is why they have strategies that aren't real that are made up in their head, which is why they create expectations that aren't actually from reality. Help me understand one more thing. So when the trade doesn't go well, because I've, so I, you know, when Coinbase started messing around with these like 15 minute Bitcoin prices. And so I, you know, obviously me thinking I'm smarter than I am. I'm like, well, what if I just, you know, because it tells you the probability of Bitcoin going in one direction or the other, you can watch it live. And then for some reason, I don't know what some reason, every time it's like 80% probability it's going to go up in the next 15 minutes or whatever, whatever, and put money into it. And then like at the last second, it's like, ah, fucking psych. And then it just goes the other goes and I was doing it. And it was something like eight of these trades in a row just went completely haywire and like went to zero because with futures, it, if you don't get out of the trade, it goes to zero. Correct. And I was actually asking, I was like, I think I was asking Claude or Chachee, but he, I'm like, what is the chance of like eight of these things going south in a row? And it's like, it's like, it was giving me some bullshit answer, but no, no, it's like, it's actually, you know, statistically predictable that this would happen. And you have this like bias that, you know, that you're just unlucky. And whatever, I don't do it anymore. But the point is, um, yeah, when I was trying to fuck around with futures, it kept going to zero repeatedly. So I lost a whole bunch of money not too much. I was just like trying to see what it was all about. Um, but I think that's also the concern that people have when they do anything outside of just buying and holding an asset. Cause I understand when I buy and hold Bitcoin, it can go up, it can go down. If it's down, of course, my whole portfolio is down right now. Uh, if I don't sell it, then I'm just waiting for to go back up again. Are options similar? Or is there a price that if it goes below, it goes to zero and I have to pay attention to that and watch out for that? Or is it, if you make a call that Bitcoin or gold or Nvidia will be at a certain price at this point in time, if it's going south, can you just wait a little bit longer for it to get to where it has to go or no? But so, yeah. So options is based on how many contracts you buy, how many contracts means how much are you betting? So let's say one contract of a trade is just $300. You can buy one contract for 300 to for 600. You can only lose your principle if something goes down 100%. So if I invest 300, I can only lose 300. With other instruments, you can go. Yeah, I know. If you're trying to take leverage or something like that. Yeah. And we, bro, I'll be honest. We've had clients make 80, 100K with us, then borrow on margin on Robinhood. We've never taught that and never will because they think they're smart. They think they're smart. They think they're like, can't, can is so good. I'm never going to know. Well, bro, now you're over leveraging and over risking. Even on smaller guys, we've had guys go from 2, you know, 2,500, which is like the minimum. It makes sense to even invest with 2,500 to 7K, then put 7K into one trade and lose it all. And then call me and say, can I know it's not your fault? Always open with that. I over leveraged because here's the best part about what I do, bro. Nobody can fake what they're doing if they're unsuccessful. So I'm like, show me your account. And then I can look and be like, well, you put all your money into one trade. This is what I think most people lose money in trading. It's not because they don't have the technical expertise. So sometimes it is, but I think it's mostly because of your own personality personality. So you know what Bradley asked me? He goes, he's going to actually invest. He wants to put a million in. Told me on the show. He goes, Cam, why don't you just put more into each trade because you're really good. Like, I'm looking at your numbers. And I'm like, because I want to play forever. I want to go 40 years like Buffett and be that good. I don't want to over leverage into something and be wrong and on the off chance. And on the off chance, I would rather put 10 to 20% of my account into each trade. Keep in mind, we have over leveraged on trades and hit big before, but I was up so much on the like quarter that I was like, I can gamble myself, but I'm not going to tell my clients that I'm doing that. The reason I say that is for compliance reasons. The reason what we can do is compliant, even on the manual trading side, meaning if you want to copy us manually, I tell you what I'm doing in my portfolio. Okay. If I say I am over leveraging into a trade, I'm making it clear, I am doing that. But I can say I would not over leverage if I were you. This is not financial advice. Right. I can still say that. But the reason I fall like I always say, do what I do not what I say. I'm sorry. Do what I say not what I do. Do what I say. I know that's actually goes against contrary belief. Do what I say. Because if I'm over leveraging, I please don't do that. Like don't do that. But if I were leveraging hit big, which I did on a few gold and silver trades, I actually grew another 25K account to 100K. But you are taking risks that you're okay with. But you're saying don't do that. Don't do that. Play the long game. Be patient. Actually, this ties into, so I was pulling up some ideas from other investors and one of one of the ideas that came up was a more and Buffett quote, which was the stock market as a device for transferring money from the impatient to the patient. Do you agree with that? Yes. Because everybody that loses gave up before they were even a quarter in. I have like my churn rate is very low. It's like 1.6% right now. Through the people that work with you and invest. Yeah. And like give up or like want to refund or something. And it's like, dude, you've only, bro, I have a DM from this guy. Manuel, I'm calling you out right now because you booked another call with me. Manuel asked for a refund. He was only like two weeks in. And it wasn't because like anything really happened. He just said, hey, man, like I need to, I can't make the payments like to pay you basically. And I'm like, well, can you wait? Because I'm going to make you money. You're in trades that are going to work. I gave him a refund. Because it was two weeks. We didn't really do much with him. It was fine. Yesterday, he DMs me. Can I made 500 bucks on that Amazon trade? I'm like, I know. That's why I told you to stay in because there were 10 more of those where you would have won two. And he goes, can I book a call so I can pay again? I'm like, yes. But this time, yeah, don't don't quit. So don't quit. Like you need to, that's why I say people say, how much can I make monthly trading options? No. How much can you grow your account on a quarterly and yearly basis? Can you beat the S&P 500? I can. I've done it. I've proven it for years. Not about not buff at years. I'm not that old. I'm only 31. But I'm going to do it with my strategies because I also, this is another problem. You said, why do people lose money trading? Well, they're fall, either they're trading on their own with no real strategy or hopping from strategy to strategy that they see on YouTube. They're not seeing it through. They're not seeing it through. Or they're following an influencer who doesn't have a team that makes sense. Meaning, how can I be on this podcast and studying the market at the same time? No. But I have other guys doing it for me. I have traders that are traders. They have no personal brand. They have a personal brand now a little bit because of me, but they were not business guys. They were traders. That's why I like I brought DJ one of my main traders on Branding Carter's podcast today because Branding Carter trades futures. So I wanted them to talk at some point and Branden even goes, oh, you're a little bit more in depth than me. Humbly, right? Because he knows like my traders trade. They really do this. They really do this. So I have a team that you can count on because I have a guy that knows the tech market. I have another guy that is a little bit more well rounded. I have an intraday guy that's specific for intraday trades. And I have a swing trader like like I have a team. 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They're day trading stocks, which means they're buying, let's say $10,000 worth of Tesla stock and then trying to sell it for like 3% that day and like keep doing that and be right in a very short period of time. And I'm like, you're going to have a hard time doing that over and over. It's just hard to do. When people fail, like like actual fail in this case, like some of the people you're talking about, what are the reasons why people would fail at this strategy? Hopping from strategy to strategy that they see on YouTube, joining $200 a month discord and hoping to get a million dollars worth of advice because experts do not charge that further time. If you're, do you have kids? Soon, but not yet. If your kid got, actually, I'm not even going to put that in there. If my son needed surgery, do you think I would go to the Caribbean and get a bullshit doctor or would I hire a UCSF top 100 surgeon, which I hired for myself years ago when I had back surgery? Well, that's what I did. I paid the expensive expert. What about if I was fighting a murder charge? Do you think I would hire a public defender for free or a little Derek's lawyer or young thugs lawyer? Probably the more expensive one. So don't pay, you can't get cheap. If you want to be cheap, you're going to get cheap results. That's what my life, I'm going to make three to five million this year all in all. There's a reason. It's because I've spent hundreds of thousands to learn from the best. So you've mentioned this to somebody before on, so this was a quote from you that you mentioned on a pod when you were talking about basically people trying to figure out where to spend their time and attention and who to learn from. So the quote is, how do you know it's not a scam? Do you actually have a process to evaluate whether something's a scam or do you just go based on how you feel? And this was you speaking to somebody who was thinking about working with you obviously. So talk to me about that idea when somebody is trying to figure out who to work with, who not to work with, because I feel like that's a hesitation that a lot of people would have. This feels like a scam or whatever. How does somebody evaluate outside of just not paying for the cheapest option? Because I get it. That's never a good choice. But how does somebody evaluate which financial person to listen to when there's so many fucking people online to teach this shit? Like who's the who's the guy like you showed a Robin Hood accountant? Great. I'm sure that other people would show other things. I don't know what people show, but but how do you figure out who to talk to, who to listen to, who to trust? Yeah. So two things. One, having a process to understanding what due diligence actually is. Meaning, do you have a process to evaluate whether or not something is a scam or do you just go based off of how you feel? Because if you're going based off of how you feel, which 99% of people do, you are not going to make good decisions in life. Because if I saw Halle Berry across the street in her prime after filming swordfish, would I feel good about walking over? No, I'd probably get very nervous, but I'm going to do it anyways. So don't go based off of how you feel. Go because you know you have a process. Now, what is a good process? That's the second part. Doing due diligence. How I do due diligence is how I tell people to do due diligence. Due diligence is a means to an end. Meaning, you can spin in a circle forever thinking about it, thinking about it, thinking about it, or you can go off of what's presented. And then do your own research too and decide based on what you care about, but it has to be your process. Okay, so what do I show people? All my Robinhood accounts and all my tradeier accounts. I have multiple accounts with different companies where we test different things. I have a 60K account here, 100K account here, 50K account here. I show them the results. I break down every trade. I have a video showing how I did 25K to 100K over the last three months. We can go into every trade. I have a, I have a, I have an hour and 10 minute call with a new client, Scott, shout out to Scott, who's doing our automation. He's a 50 year old man. He's been trading for years. He says, I want better results. I said, let's go through every trade. He was the most skeptical person ever. I said, let's go to look through every trade, ask any question you want. If they are not willing to show you, their trades, there's something wrong. Does that happen a lot in this industry? So here's what I've heard. When people ask me who my competitors are, I don't know a lot of these guys. Here's why. I am a business owner that creates content. I'm not an influencer with no business. Okay, Tanner Chittister taught me that. He's like, you are a business owner. He told me that. You are not an influencer. And that's fine. That's what I want to be. The point is when I know these guys, or when I see these guys like TJR or people getting exposed, I'm like, I don't actually know. I just know like when I went on fresh and fit, fresh was like, bro, none of these traders show me their account. And you do. And you do. And I'm like, this is absurd. Like you can't even trade, but you know why they can't trade because they are talking to you. So they don't have a team. I have a team. So I can actually go and build the brand and build the company while my back end guys are doing the trades and teaching my clients. You know, when you first got into this game too, you lost money in a 4x auto trader. Man, he that guy's in jail. Is he actually? He's one of the few that went to jail. So that's the thing. 4x and crypto. These guys don't go to jail a lot because it's not regulated. And the FBC doesn't care unless it's so big. Oh, yeah. That's true. With US stock market, dude, if I was lying right now about SEC compliant, I would be in jail. This is US stock market. This matters. I have a question. When are you going to start a fund? I'm not. Here's why I this is crazy because I've like debated going back and forth on this or that's the same thing. I've gone back and forth on this for a long time. It was funny. I was at Equinox Palo Alto and I was back home visiting family. And I ran into the partner at Citadel. Okay. So, you know, Ken Griffin is moving everything down here. Does that move down here? I know. Yeah, I know. And Larry and Google is moving. I think he can Griffin move down here. He has a house next door to the sky, which is like a historical mansion in South Miami. And then I think a lot of Citadel employees are now moving down here and like everybody's moving to South Florida. Anyways, I was at Equinox and I just finished working out. I went to the cafe area and I didn't know like obviously I didn't know who he was, but he was sitting there. And I was closing a deal with the client that is now on our software. Barat, shout out Barat. Barat did his due diligence. So he really had a lot of questions. And I had just worked out. I was kind of hungry. He kind of frustrated me a little bit with some of it. Barat, we love you. But the point is he heard me on this call, close this deal. And he goes, Hey, who the fuck basically like who are you? Like you're talking about options because that's like, you know, he's in that world. And I'm like, Oh, I've run a this, this, this, this, I tell him about my business. And he's like, he tells me who he is. I'm like, Oh, how are you? And then I'm like, we started talking, you know, exchange info. And he's like, I said, listen, man, before you go, I have two questions for you. Should I get a Stanford MBA? And should I get a series 65 and start a fund? He said, no, to both. He said, as somebody with an MBA from top 20 school, you don't need it. MBAs are for corporate. You're not corporate. Said, you make this much money. I just looked at, he looked at all my numbers on the lap, right there. He was like, you don't need a series 65 because having a fund only is profitable if your clients have so much money where their performance fee makes sense. So for example, Goldman Sachs, two percent management fee, 20 percent performance fee. Yeah, but they're managing so much money where that 20 percent is worth it. For us, we can run this as a business where you either pay a fee for mentorship to learn our strategies to copy our trades manually. Or for the software automation that connects your account to mine and have it all done for you, we can do that without licenses and an SEC compliant way. And we're actually making more impact. I know people will talk about, oh, I want to help people. No, it's actually a better business model too, meaning you can pay us 10 grand for the software, have 25K to trade with. And now you're going to turn that 25 and do 100 like I did. And now you only spend 10 grand. So you made way more money than you paid me. I'm doing it in an SEC compliant way. And people that are wondering, if you're so good at trading, why do you sell a system? Well, why do hedge funds manage the money of other people? It's more money to be made. So I might take a swing trade that might take three months to come to fruition, but I can also make money today. Teaching you how to make that same swing trade, make money in three months too. It's just like, business is about value exchange. People with low IQ don't understand that or not even low IQ just low business acumen that think they have such a high IQ that they don't understand this. I always, you know, it's so funny to me and people, I'll draw a parallel and people get mad at people who are selling courses. And I don't sell a course, not because I have an issue with them, just because my standard for what I want to sell and put into the market is very high. So I want to put a lot of effort into it. You have a system, the same way we have a system. We don't sell a course. Very much. But I can never hate on somebody who knows what they're doing, selling a course on how to do it. And the response is, well, they're so good at doing the thing. Why would you sell a course on how to do it? Well, because they can make money doing that. And I don't see an issue with that. Like if you, there's, if you have the ability to make money in different ways, do it. It's fucking stupid. If you don't, it's like saying, okay, my boy Jimmy Farley lives here in Miami, Rob the bank is his partner. Okay. Jimmy sold his company, creator's corner to physician's choice. You know the vitamins, physician's choice. So the physician's choice guy is Jimmy's mentor, the founder. So he bought him out. Why? But, but it's not even about why he bought him out. What I'm trying to say is this, Jimmy knows TikTok shop. He blew up on TikTok shop. He caught it early. He then started teaching others how to blow up on TikTok shop. He makes more money, teaching people how to blow up on TikTok shop than he actually does on TikTok shop. Is that a scam? No. If the value exchange is there, if I charged somebody 10 grand and make them 50, they won. I make, look, no one, no, none of the trading guys say this. I make more money selling my trading software than I do actually trading. But I make a lot of money trading too. Yeah. So why does it matter if the value exchange is there? It's called business acumen. You mentioned before that everything you do is SEC compliant. What does that actually mean? Why is that? I mean, I think it's obvious why it's important. But I don't even think people really understand what that means. Yeah. SEC compliant means what I'm doing is legal in the financial world. SEC compliant means what I'm doing is legal in the financial world. Here's why. By the way, are many people teaching things that are not? No. Yes and no. There are people that are definitely doing it non-SEC compliant. I don't know who is and who isn't. But they're all, the reason people don't do what I do specifically is because a lot of people also avoid it because they can't do it in a SEC compliant way. This is why people sell trading courses. It's because you can sell education and not have a problem. But to sell a copy trading system, you need to do it the right way. So here's what I do. On our mentorship, which means we are teaching your strategies, not gatekeeping anything, handholding you to success to the point where you can manually follow our trades and also call your own trades once you get good enough, which we have clients doing. That is SEC compliant because we are teaching you what we know and then showing you what we're doing and at your discretion, you can copy. That's it. Software is really hard to do compliantly. That's why no one does it. The software partner we have, by the way, they've been around five years. No one knows who they are. They only have 17 clients and not one of them. They're very engineering. They're very nerdy. They're not incredible marketers and that's good. I found them though. I've been looking for them for a long time and they're the only one that can do exactly what I needed, which is automate options trading from somebody's account to my account in SEC compliant way, meaning you connect your trading account to mine through an SEC compliant protocol. Every trade that I do happens on your accounts. You can't say you missed the trade. You can't say you were too busy. Does it automatically? Automatically same time. Same time. Automatically swing trade and day trade for their budget size. Now, why is that SEC compliant? Here's why. One, the client has to pick what stocks of mine they want to follow, meaning if they want to follow Tesla and Meta, but not Apple, they can choose not to follow Apple. Then that's their choice. Now, they picked it's on them. They should choose everything. I can't tell them that, but if you're paying, you might as well trade everything. It doesn't make any sense. Unless you're like Haram and don't want to trade a company or whatever. Haram, yeah. Second thing is there are tiers, meaning you cannot choose what you want to invest outside of the tiers that we've set, which means if you want to invest $10,200, we can't do it. But if you want to go into our 10K tier and trade with 10K or 12,500 or 15,000, it goes up in increments. Those tiers have risk management rules that you can pick and then because you pick the after we tell you what they are, you pick them. That's your protocol now. So it's not us telling you what to do. It's not personalized financial advice. It's not Scott's account does this. It's Scott, Tom, John, all these people that have 10K are doing this. That's the second thing. The third thing is we don't charge a performance fee because it doesn't make sense to charge it. Well, we can't do it legally, but it also doesn't make sense as a business model, even if we were a fund to make 20% on your 10 grand. It's not enough money. We want to grow your 10K accounts to 50 in a year and charge your 10 grand for it. But you still don't charge performance even if at any point you can't. We're not legally allowed to. It would have to be a fund. It would have to be a fund and we license the software. If you are a hyper successful because like it's just, at that point, it's just great for the client. It's just it's somebody who's going to talk well about you. It's good, but you aren't making money on their profit. No. And think about it this way. Why would I sell a software protocol that doesn't work where it's all on me? Meaning, my mentorship clients, if they don't do the work, I can tell them you're not showing up to study session. With software, you literally, it's all on me. It's put all on me in that sense. So like, if they lose, it's because I lost. It's because we traded that. So why would I sell something? This is why these trading gurus don't do it. One, because it's hard to do it in an SEC compliant way and they don't want to pay for the SEC attorneys and do all the stuff they need to do that we did. Two, it's because they're not actually going to trading. So they don't want to put their skin in the game. Real hedge funds, bro. They have their money in the same trades. Of course, they do. Or else you would never put your money in a trade with somebody who doesn't have their own money in it. I had a guy did, I don't even want to say his name. He doesn't deserve anything. He tried to pitch me on a real estate deal that he was not going to go in with me on. I'm like, this makes no sense. As somebody who's put money into funds, you always have the person who's like the partner or the LP or like they always put their own money in. Why else would you trust them? That's what I mean by due diligence and having a process. Okay. My family has in this with me, bro. My family invests. My uncle is worth eight figures and is in my program. Not to learn. He doesn't have the time to automate, makes sense because he's always been a buy and hold investor. I'm even going to show you this. Great timing. What's this? You don't know about to show me. I don't know. I have no idea what this is. This is a $2 million account with Morgan Stanley. Okay. A family member of mine was nice enough to give this to me to show you guys that he is a client. What does this mean? This means if you actually invest the right way long enough without complaining about trades being in the red, which people do. They love the complain about trades being in the red. Do you think Buffett didn't have a losing year? You think Buffett didn't have a losing month? You think Buffett didn't have a losing quarter? That's how millions are made. He also trades options with us and his options portfolio is up right now while his stock portfolio is down, but he doesn't care because he knows if he plays the right way he will win. Obviously, you're in your own trades, of course, but what else do you put money into? Do you put money into other assets as well? Because you asked me about where I was and I said crypto, blue chip crypto. I put money into real estate. I used to have money in individual tech stocks, but I actually stopped and I started putting it more into crypto recently. I'm down across the board. What do you like to put money into? I only follow people that I want to be like. My business mentor, one of my business mentors is named Mustafa. Mustafa is worth 10, 11 million liquid. He is a, how do I describe it? He's a business owner that is multifaceted and he likes to invest in things that have a really high returns. So what I mean by that and everyone's like, oh, fucking, of course, Kim. No, but the point is a laundromat isn't really high returns. 20 laundromats is high returns, but he does, like when I brought him like this laundromat, I'm like, what do you think about this? He's like, I don't like, I don't do the laundromat thing. He's like, I want to invest in things with higher returns. So he has like Cleopatra, which is a tattoo thing, really exotic, expensive tattoo with the premium tattoo place. He has tons of them all over. Okay. I am doing something similar to that right now, which I'm going to release to my clients in a few months after I prove it enough, but it's peptides. Okay. So my boy has a peptide company called Sundays. Sundays is doing about 200 K a month with 65% margin as research use only. I am going to be the second e-commerce store that he has. He has the first one. It's killing it. I'm going to be the second one. So I put 70 grand. I wired in 70,000. Did my due diligence. So that means to an end. Okay. And we sound a good contract like it's fine. The point is he knows that if he proves me right, I will bring this to my entire audience because it's a high return thing. Now why is it a high return thing? Why did I turn down 10 deals this year that were brought to my table and pick the peptide thing? Two reasons. One, I like the founder. One, I've known the founder. Three, peptides are the trading of fitness. Watch this. Fitness coaches struggle to make money because people don't want to work out. People do want an edge to getting in shape that doesn't require anything other than a needle or a pill. That's what peptides is. The same way people like to trade because at the end of the day, what's harder starting an Airbnb business where you actually have to do the work or copying trades? Of course, copying trades. So I'm following in my own footsteps. I'm investing in things that have really high returns. But what you're talking about is building an actual e-commerce. That's a business. But he does it. So it's done for you. So I gave him the money. I'm a 50-50 partner with him. Once it's proven and we're making money with my store, I'm going to offer done for you stores. Now here's why. In the stock market, no matter how many clients I have, we can't move Tesla. Goldman Sachs will still move Tesla. We can't move the market. But with peptides, the industry is small enough where if we have a piece in a lot of done for you stores, we can eventually own the manufacturing lab that we want and manufacture in-house in America instead of dealing with China. Of course. And then fucking win. And now you get a compounding pharmacy, but that's a couple million dollars. That's my point. So I'm doing the trading of fitness because of the higher return potential and because it makes sense for my clients that want something done for them. So this is how you give other investment options that are not just... So when you think about your portfolio, do you go into outside of actual options? Do you go into crypto? Do you go into real estate yourself? I have Bitcoin. I hit a big altcoin run from like 2020 to 2023. And now anyone can make an altcoin. So it just so saturated is no point. I just hold Bitcoin right now. I'm getting into real estate for the first time this year and next year, two ways. Four taxes specifically. Okay. The first is called a land donation. You know what that is? I wish. No one markets this because it's not... I don't know why, but it's very effective. It's very smart. It's very smart. You basically give money as a donation to something involving real estate that's like a nonprofit and you get a tax write-off. So instead of paying, let's say, taxes on a million a year just to keep it easy, you pay taxes on 750. Okay. You can't avoid short-term capital gains and options, but you can reduce your overall taxable income. Well, of course, if you buy even with traditional real estate, if you buy a property, I think if you do like a cost-seg study and you frontload the depreciation on it, like that's how most people reduce their tax burden for that year too. So even if you're out doing land donations, obviously real estate is an incredible way to... I'm doing that this year. Then by end of next year, latest, I will do primary residence, so I don't own a house right now. Well, I own... Yeah, so I'm going to buy a house probably in Dallas because it's so cheap. Run it out as a short-term rental, make some cash flow from it, but the point is first time home buyer loan, 3% down, not a lot out of my pocket, reduce taxable income. Do you think about your overall investment strategy, because right now, you're not super diversified. So you have a very specific investment strategy, which is options. Do you ever think about for the average person what a holistic investment strategy should be in terms of... And this is obviously not financial advice, but percentages, because right now you're basically X percentage in crypto. You are going to be X percentage in... building your own peptide business in e-commerce store, and then you're going to be the majority percentage I'm assuming in options. That's sort of like the investment portfolio. And then you're going to go into real estate. So how do you think about percentages of investments compared to asset classes, and real estate is buy and hold, crypto is buy and hold, options is capital gains, e-commerce store is cash flow, potential capital gains on the exit in the future, but not immediate. So how do you think through like total investment strategy for somebody, based on sort of your own experience? Yeah. First thing I'll say is, we say it's not financial advice because we have to, but your financial advisor who is licensed is broke. That is right. This is what bothers me. I had a kid... I want to segue for a second. I had a kid who's... He's going to Duke Law School. He saw me on a podcast. Smart. He somehow had a little bit of an inheritance. He didn't really go into it, but he was like, I have 100K. He had the money. It's not like you didn't have the money. He's like, I want to work with you. But my financial advisor is telling me not to. I'm like, what is your financial advisor charge you? He's like, like, a couple hundred bucks a month. I'm like, whoa, he's really good at finances. He must have really good advice, right? What does he do for you? Oh, he has me in stocks and bonds. I'm like, okay, show me which ones. There's a reason he charges 200 a month. His advice sucks, but he can say this is financial advice because he went to school for a second. I'll tell you one more thing. I had this biggest... I had this issue when my mom was retiring. When your mom? My mom was retiring. I'll tell you a story quickly because it'll just show you how fucked up the financial system is. She's trying to retire. It worked her job her whole life. She had money with a guy who worked for a bank in Canada. She was like, okay, I want to invest this money. But for years, I want to invest this money, so I can understand how much I can retire with, and what my monthly cash flow will be. Obviously, it's a bank's financial advisor, so the returns are minimal, but at least they're not sitting in a checking account. At least. At least. He kept the lane, kept the lane, kept the lane, and she was trying to figure out why do you keep the lane investing? My money turns out he wanted to quit the bank, start his own firm, and then keep clients with him and take all of his bank clients, and he couldn't take the clients if their money was invested through the bank. Super fucking scammy. He left the bank. He's like, hey, do you want to invest in me now? She's like, no, fuck off. She found somebody else. Whatever. It was still like marginal returns, but at least the person was actually doing work for her. But the biggest issue with financial advisors is number one, shit like that, who they're not acting in your best interest. Or the second issue is what a financial advisor can do is they can say, well, I invested your money, and if the market is moving, they'll look like a genius. And if the market tanks will be like, well, the market tanked. That's, well, that's exactly what it was. And that's like the scapegoat, right? Like that's like the, well, get out of jail free card for not being good at your job. And and honestly, I know financial advisors and I don't hate them, but I do know that they aren't even making their own trades. They're just collecting a whole bunch of client funds, and then there's like these safe bets that the bank is putting your money into. So they can make more money on that. And they can, and they're probably incentivized to put money into certain things based on anyways. So financial advisor, like take, take life into your own hands and figure shit out yourself, because no, you mentioned before financial advisors are just making you the bare minimum. If the market goes sideways, then they're just going to throw their hands up and say, sorry, it's the market, not me. And then of course, the bank's making way more money because that's what you're really doing. You're giving your money to the bank to play with. And they're going to make, you know, X percentage more than you are on your own money. Kick you back the dog 100%. So I'll say this, who do you want to learn how to make money from a financial advisor who doesn't make the type of money you want to make? Not even let me take a step back. By the way, some of them are like 25 years old. They just went to school. I went to school too. I just didn't go to school for that. But like my point is it's not hard to become a financial advisor. It is hard to consistently make money trading, which is what I do. So who do you want to learn how to trade from and make money in the stock market from? People that are making money as a financial advisor because they went to school and don't even do their own trades or have proof of it. People selling you an AI bot, which you don't even know if they do their trades on their AI bot or somebody that has a track record and can prove to you live what his returns are when he trades. You know the answer logically. Now here's what I would say since I can't give financial advice. Here's what I would I almost said advice. Here's what I would say. What are your goals? That's the question. If you want to have a W2 and you like your W2 and you're like, dude, I'm a senior engineer in Microsoft. We have a client that is one. He's like, I don't necessarily want to quit my job, but I'd like the option to like not work here in 10 years. I'm like, sounds good. So you're giving yourself 10 years to hit that. Sounds good. Okay. I think you need to have more aggressive investments than the 401k and index funds because index funds are for wealth preservation, meaning when I get to a certain liquid net worth, yes, I will diversify into the S&P, but it doesn't make sense right now and I'm a lot. Okay. I'm going to make three to five mill this year. I'm still not investing in S&P. So it just doesn't make sense right now. So what are your goals? My goals might be different than yours. That's why I invest in things with higher returns like peptides. If your goals are to have a W2 job and have a just more lucrative stock market strategy that can give you cash flow and give you a higher level investment account, you should trade options. Here's why trading crypto and forex can get screwed really easily. It's not regulated trading futures requires too much time sensitivity and attention. Like you said, even Bitcoin futures 15 minute nonsense prediction, right. Trading options allows you to do a part time. I've done it since 2017. That's the one. Okay. I'm obviously biased, but look on my shirt. Trade with me for free. You can come trade with me for free because we're that good for a few days. Then you can decide after you do your due diligence after you talk to the members in our community who never had a background trading options. Some of them never even invested in stocks. A lot of them only had S&P and 401K. That's what I would say. I would say there's no point in investing in real estate until you have a lot of money too, but I'm also not a real estate guy. It's like, yes, my friend makes 700K a year and has 15 Airbnb's, but that takes work. If you have a W2 job, that's hard to do. You just need to think about what your goals are and where you want to go. For me, where is my money right now? Options, most of it, stocks, some, crypto, some. My business, a lot, high returns, peptides, good stake in it, not a lot, 70Ks, but it's all about what your goals are. That's how you think and where you're at in life and how much money you have. And then you start to diversify. I actually found another Buffett quote, which I thought was interesting coming from him, because I don't think people know that this is a Buffett quote, but why diversification is only required when investors do not understand what they're doing. Which is so interesting because Buffett is considered the king of investing basically, but for some reason, people always think to diversify, diversify, diversify. And I've always found that, okay, fine, it's cool if you diversify, but what if you just understand one thing better than anyone else? Boom. So think about it this way. Another reason people fail is because they don't stick to one strategy in the industry that they're trying to partake in. Example, why Buffett said that is because he knows how to buy and hold stocks. He doesn't also do futures. He doesn't also do 4x. He doesn't also do crypto. Stop trying to trade at all. There's money everywhere, but you need to lock in. I swing trade options and day trade options. Technically, those are two things, but the formats of the trades are the same. People say, Cam, do you do spreads? Don't even want to get into what that is. It's just a different style. No, do you do this? No. I trade options. That's why I'm successful. 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I've made like 50 on a single trade by over leveraging. Yeah, I have for sure. I've lost 10 in one trade. I lost 10 on a balance here trade this year. That's not horrible. No, it's not at all. Once you build a buffer, you can be more risky because you're now you're playing with house money. The most I've lost in real life is 200K in one 15 minutes. I do lose 200K. I lost 200K in 15 minutes getting robbed at gunpoint with automatic rifles by making a bad decision and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. So here's the story. This isn't good for my brand either necessarily unless you want it to be. So I'm still happy to share it. But basically there was a stint where I got laid off from tech and I was angry that I got laid off and I didn't feel like I deserve to be laid off and I kind of went down a dark path and there were opportunities to make money doing things that were kind of gray. One of those things allegedly is the cannabis industry because there are a bunch of people with licenses that are legal operators but cannabis is still a schedule one drug which means they are taxed on their gross profit which is absurd. Imagine if you were taxed on your gross, you'd be broke. So they use the licenses to then sell cash deals, do cash deals and not pay taxes at all. I said, yeah, I allegedly coordinated a deal that was not white, it was gray and it did not go well. Because I was responsible, I had not had to. I could have just not paid and like disappeared but like I'm a good guy and I owned up to it. Paid 200 grams of the person that got screwed over which ultimately was me. He didn't get screwed. He was made holy, he got his 200 grand. We're still good to this day. But that, I tell that story because you have to understand that risk is relative. The reason I make three to five million a year now after losing 200K is because I almost lost my life. Explain how did the deal go back? I don't want to get into all the specifics but I basically coordinated a deal between a buyer and seller where the seller robbed the buyer and I was there with guns, ARs, automatic rifles, yeah. Allegedly. So this happened a long time ago but that showed me because in that moment, dude, the way it feels to be honest with you is like, let's just not die. Genuinely, those are the four words, like let's just not die. Play down. They weren't super violent to, like they weren't violent to me. It was just more like, don't be an idiot. Just lay down, waited. It was gone. They drove off. It's over. And I'm like, okay, I'm broke. Sounds good. And when I was broke, I took new risk. That's what the problem with people is. Is that once they take a risk and lose, they do not risk again and wonder why things don't work out for them. Okay. Say that again. Once they risk and lose, they don't, yeah. Once they risk and lose, they don't risk again, which is why they ultimately lose because they don't take any more risk to win. Okay. So what ended up happening is I was like, okay, and a lesson to that too is there's another side to that is don't take a risk you can't come back from. That's why I don't, when Bradley said, why don't you invest more in your trades? They're so good. Well, I don't want to over leverage. I'm happy to lose 10 grand on balance here. It's not a lot of money for me. Okay. But for somebody it is. So that's why we have rules that we teach. Right. So I follow my rules. After I went broke, I went to a American Express Wells Fargo Chase, US bank, and got $92,000 in leverage, zero percent interest credit. I had great credit, power of credit, bought myself time to get back on my feet. Credits risky. Okay. Well, do you want to just tell your other friends that you have an 800 credit score that you do nothing with? That sounds pretty stupid to me. Well, I not just use your credit. There's a point. It's called credit. Imagine having a good reputation not using it. So you took a big risk. It's just wild. So you went from career 9 to 5 W2 to working in cannabis and and huge risk. Well, continuing to rob that gunpoint, I think that most people would be totally understanding if you said I never want to build a business ever again. This is way more shit than I ever thought I'd have to deal with. Okay. Fine. You take credit. You get 92 grand out. You're back on your feet. But what's what allowed you to take risk again? Not risk with the $92,000 credit, but risk in terms of I want to be an entrepreneur. And this is the path that I want to pursue. I just knew that every time I worked at W2, whether I was a top performer or not, they always like said something like, damn, you're not you're not a culture fit, Cam. I'm like, I'm not. Now I have a t-shirt that says not a culture fit. I'm really not a culture fit for a corporate environment. I am really me and I have a hard time not being me. And I have a hard time not being authentic. I have a hard time acting a certain way. I have a hard time asking people in the lunchroom, how is your weekend having them? Three people ask me, how is my weekend? I have explained it three times. I have a hard time with that. And I just knew I wanted more. I was like, this is not what I want to do till I'm 40. I cannot be 40 and be my own VP of sales. Meaning the VP, I looked up at the highest level. I was like, okay, these guys, you know, Nolan Ferris, great guy. Awesome dude. Super cool. He would still like me if he saw me. That was the last type company I worked at. He went, he took indeed public. He was number 50 or in the top 50 indeed people. I just don't want that life though. I don't want to take the bar to San Francisco public transportation at age 45 and be rich. He's in the New York office. That's not the point. The point is I don't want to live where I have to live. I want to live where I want to live. That was the problem with W2 is that like you have to live here. Now I can live in Dallas and be way richer than everybody living in the bay. Yeah. Even if I made the same amount, which is funny, like I would be richer if I made what they made. I make more and live somewhere less. Quote, unquote, less. Tier two cities is the hack. Go overseas if you can. I'm trying to do that eventually because it's like the food is better. It doesn't blow to you. The, bro, me and my girl were in Colombia for like, I think seven or eight days. I never was bloated after a meal. Neither was she. She's like, the food here is better everywhere we eat out. Like we're like, we have to go hell expensive restaurant. Like the most expensive restaurant just to have good quality food because everything in the middle sucks. So what I'm hearing is basically the the thing that caused you to continue to be an entrepreneur and to build your own thing was ultimately like control over your own life and real. Yeah. Sorry to cut you off and realizing the life at the end at the highest level of W2 is not what I wanted. One story you brought up a few times. First of all, you've said because of this robbery and you know, this cannabis deal going really bad. I know God exists because I did not die. I should have been killed that day. And you've said this on the few podcasts and I'm just curious if this changed your perspective with risk with almost your perception of mortality with how much time you have on this earth. Because I wonder if you actually took it and you're like, you know what? I'm still alive. I'm going to go all in on the next thing. Yeah. I mean, my relationship with God is definitely closer. Like I don't, I would say I'm Christian, but I'm new to Christianity. My girl is Christian, but I have always believed in God. And this like, I have made mistakes that could have resulted in me being killed. And I know people that have died from making similar mistakes. So knowing that for whatever reason, God protected me. You can call it luck, but I think it's God protected me. And I also realize like there are still rules that I am going to quote unquote, not follow because it aligns with the life I want. So some people say, don't do business with your friends. All my friends work for me. Or I shouldn't say all my friends. I have certain friends that do other things, but my company is built with my friends. John Banks, we've been friends for five years. He was actually a client, a paying client that was a friend first. Then we became closer friends because he realized my stuff works. And then he now works with me on the team, Catalina, friend for four years. Damn, what else is on my team? DJ Brian Jenny, right? Like I'm built Tyler. Like I'm building a company because at the end of it all, I want to go and be like, damn, we really did this shit together. And this was real. And this could happen. And like, that's the impact, right? I could start a fund to like, let's say for the client, that's my company now. Let's say on the client side, I could start a fund and manage the money of super rich people. What impact am I making though? It's like, do I really want to look back and be like, that's super dope. That's the whole reason I don't just trade trading doesn't affect anybody about myself. Like I love my client testimonials because I watch them sometimes and I'm like, oh, she got scammed by the last trading guy. And now she didn't get scammed with me and she's super happy. That's awesome. You treat risk tolerance like a muscle, not a personality trait. So what does training your risk tolerance actually look like? Because I think that is a very, very important personality trait or whatever. Like I say, you say it's not a person. It's a very important thing for you to have when you're trying to build a business, when you're trying to trade, and try to have conviction about anything. Andrew Huberman talks about this. There's a part of the brain brain. I think there's a part of the brain. I think it's called the anticular mid cortex something. Okay. And basically when you do hard stuff, it grows hard stuff involves risk. So for example, that means on a day to day basis, just do things that are a little bit hard. So like, don't hit the snooze button twice. Hit it once. Wash the dishes earlier than later just because you don't want to. Talk to the cute girl in the coffee shop line. Just do things that are a little bit hard and a little bit risky. So you get used to taking some form of risk in your life. Because most people just do the same thing every day and wonder why they're stuck or you're stuck because you're not getting unstuck. Here's the thing. People say build confidence, but confidence comes from results. Okay. So you don't go and get confident without having anything to be confident about. Go talk to the cute girl. Then get results. Then you will be confident. It's the opposite. People are doing it in the opposite order. They're trying to be confident to go do something. It's the same thing with wealth preservation acceleration. Don't invest your 10 grand of SMP. It won't do anything. You want to preserve the 10 grand. Sounds good. Like it doesn't make sense. That's how I look at risk. When you start something and maybe even when you go into trades, you said you operate on 60% certainty. Oh, yes. Most people wait for 90 or 100% to do anything with their life. What does waiting for actually hitting a 90% certainty actually cost you? Oh, lost opportunity. This applies to anything. The mindset is courage means you are doing things despite being scared. You are taking action despite being scared. Most people do not have courage because they only take action when they're in 100% confident. You think I was 100% confident to start my business. You think I was 100% confident to enter trades? No. Otherwise, I would never became a trader. I would just wait for 100% confidence and never got it. You cannot have 100% confidence in something that you're not great at. It doesn't make any sense. And even when we trade today, there are trades. We have 80% conviction in. There are trades. We have 100% conviction in that we're like, we know this is going to hit. But there's trades that we have like, this probably might only do 20% and we're only 60% confident in that. But we're up. Let's do it anyways. You just have to under if you understand that mindset, you will be better off. Like even I like using dating examples because the reason I was able to meet the girl of my dreams and you know, propose, I'm going to propose this year later. I appreciate it. It's because I understood risk. So I'm like, the brain is designed for survival and protection biologically, chemistry, whatever you want to call it. In the tribal areas, wherever the tribes were, people could get in trouble or killed for talking to the wrong woman in the wrong tribe. Our brain still operates in that way. So we go to the gym or like, Oh, this is the tribe of Equinox. God forbid. I say something stupid. No, go on 60% confidence. Go do what you're supposed to do. Even go like with a woman, it's like, there's really no risk. What's what can she say? No, go with 20% confidence. I don't give a shit. Go do it because you always feel better after and people say that's a lie. What if you feel worse? It's like you might feel worse in the moment, but later you will feel better. It's so funny how this is why, okay, so I look at I look at the things that make people successful in one part of their life and it's crazy how when you figure out like the mental model that helps you become more successful in business or more successful in dating like those things bleed over into each other. So the thing that makes you a successful entrepreneur, a successful trader, somebody who is with like the woman of your dreams, all those things are the same. And it's not just the confidence at beyond set. It's like, okay, so if you want to be a successful business owner or a trader or, you know, a spouse or partner or a husband or a wife, okay, so I want to stay with it for an unreasonable amount of time. I want to commit to the same for the rest of my life, right, the business, learning how to trade. The thing I want to learn about the person I want to be with, the diet I want to go on, the gym routine, like whatever it is. So all these mindset things are so important, at least for me, because they they create success across every part of your life. So the same reason why you're with like your girlfriend who's going to be your fiance and your wife soon is the same reason why a successful trader, a successful entrepreneur. And I just wish more people understood that if they figure out, okay, how do you take action without having 100% certainty? How do you, you know, build a stack of proof to create more confidence? How do you commit to something long term? Like all these ideas, if they just implement them, they'd be so much happier across every part of their life. You know what people, you reminded me of something. So I've had a client, I've had many people get on calls with me ready to be a client in a bit. Cam, why aren't more people doing this? I'm like more with respect to what? And they don't have an answer, meaning they just think I should have thousands of clients, not hundreds, because what I'm saying is really good, but they don't understand how the world works. So I'm like, why don't you have more clients or why aren't more people doing it? Honestly, my answer is this, it's because you think it's too good to be true. So Alex Hormosi said, you know who thinks, you know who stays poor? The person who thinks it's too good to be true. They know everything, but they're poor, right? They're super smart and super sophisticated at making decisions. I don't like your dad, but they're poor. He's not poor, but he's not. But he wishes he was rich like my uncle, like he literally says, yeah, it's not poor. Sorry, that was, I'm a spoke, but the guy who's very smart and doesn't take as much risk. Correct. Like he literally says to this day, he's like, I did the 401k. He's like, I should have done some of that tech investing with, with Suresh with your uncle, right? So everyone wishes they were somewhere else. If they do the safe thing forever, it's, it's always been true. Nobody that does the W2 forever that I have met that is older is like, yeah, man, this was the path. Like they're just not only that. I'm not saying you can't have a W2 forever. I'm saying just that and 401k and S&P, they're not what you think they are. No. And, and in 2026 and beyond, they are less useful to the average person than they were 50 years ago. Absolutely. And that's the thing that people don't realize. Like the games changed. That's like saying that bro, that's like saying don't use AI to learn things. It's silly. No, I use Claude whenever I have a question. So, so use the new world's tools. There are now possibilities for you that were not possible 15 years ago. Sorry, 50 years ago, even 15 years ago, dude, even 15 years ago. What is the, what is the quote on your arm? Oh, yes. Okay. The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. I like that. Henry Ford said that. Ford Motors horses were before him. He was a very unreasonable. I said, what do you mean cars? Think about where we'd be without Henry Ford being unreasonable, right? So I live by that because I'm like, and I questioned and doubted myself a lot along this path. I was like, dude, am I wrong? Is everyone right? Am I stupid? And bro, I have, you know how Facebook brings you memories and says like, oh, you said this. Bro, I used to say things that are still believed to this day. And people used to comment in high school, whatever you say, Cam. These guys are broke losers now, bro. It's embarrassing. And I'm like, I knew I was right. But you just have to wait. Act with self-doubt, act with doubt, act with fear. And you will be fine. One of your favorite quotes that you said, change is going to make you feel bad. It gets bad before it gets good. People are looking for 100% of a good feeling before making a decision. That's why they don't change. Was I was always going to say, was there was there a moment in your life when you stayed in the discomfort too long? No, because I didn't think it was too long. So it's in my head, right? It's in your head. Like you think something is too long. But once again, James Jackson talks about this. He's like a big prenup divorce attorney. But he said, whenever you say something or hear something, ask yourself with respect to what? Meaning like, you're saying something is this uncomfortable. But compared to what is walking up to the girl uncomfortable compared to what? Like compared to getting Rob a gunpoint. No, it's not. That's very uncomfortable compared to being single compared to being single forever. No, it's not really. And also on a mindset tip, I always tell myself when doing something scary, which I'm actually at the point where I need to push myself a little harder because I've gotten a little comfortable with my financial situation. But I'll use the dating example because it's really easy. But if you see a girl in the gym and she's in shape and you like her and you're interested, just say, look, everyone else feels the same way in their poses. And if I do this, I'm not a pussy. Just say that to yourself. And then you will see, damn, I got to go do this. And then if you, but fuck a line, fuck charm, just go up to her and be like, listen, hey, sorry to interrupt. I'm actually super nervous. I don't do this a lot. I thought you were attractive. I wanted to say, I worst case, she won't think you're weird. That's true. She still won't because that's not weird. No, it's not weird at all. Just say it the way I said it. Like own whatever you're saying. Because then you will realize like people get rejected by women too or like reject it in general because they're like, hey, I don't mean to bother you, but I thought you were cute. Like, that's weird. That's very weird. Joe, be normal. You are normal. You just think you're not normal because you have feelings that are stuck in your head that everyone else in the gym thinks. And I say the gym thing because like, that's where people go every day that they see attractive women and they don't, I don't want to approach her in the gym. I don't want to shit where I eat. That's your bullshit excuse. Half my exes are from the gym. Get the fuck out of here. And they're all way harder than me. Because that's where the hot girls are that aren't in the club that aren't drunken, confused, wobbling around. I wish that more people would look at life the way you look at life because I think that this is a very positive. But to your point, this is a very positive way to sort of evaluate risk, evaluate change, evaluate discomfort, all the things that this is why you're successful because you apply this to picking up women in a gym. This is you apply this to the business you're trying to build. But you're also right. Not everybody is going to listen to this podcast and do anything with it. Some people are going to listen to it. You're like, Oh, those are all good ideas and do nothing. So you can listen to shit all day. You can, you can be obsessed over learning. But at the end of the day, if you don't take action, if you don't do anything, it doesn't matter. Okay. Here's what I'll say to that too. Once again, ask yourself, if you're considering not doing something after I showed my Robin Hood account, after I showed you a $2 million Morgan Stanley account, after I am willing to let you trade for free for a few days to see if I'm willing to let you caulk to my clients, ask yourself, what are you willing to do with respect to what? Meaning, if I am a course guy or if I am a system, which I'm not a course guy, but if I'm a business owner that has a system with respect to what, should I advertise in the newspaper and not on the podcast? You're not reading the newspaper. So do your due diligence before saying something is too good to be true. Then if you do your due diligence and want to tell me that I'm incorrect after trading with me for a few days, fine. Haven't had it. Like no one who does their due diligence doesn't sign up. I've noticed that everybody who actually does their research signs up because it makes sense, because with respect to what, if you're not willing to work with me, either I don't align with what you want, which is kind of hard because who doesn't want to make money doing nothing? We have a soft. I think that if people don't invest in general, I think it's because they feel like they don't have control over their own life. Like this is this is why people wouldn't invest at all. But there's a lot of people like that. Like I know there's a lot of people like that because I have friends, less now because of what I do for a living, but I have friends that, I mean, once you level up your circle, you realize that these ideas of investing and sort of taking ownership of your own life and your own circumstances, they're pretty common with all the people that are successful. But yeah, there's a whole bunch of people that they've been burned once and they don't want to invest again or whatever. And I won't name names, but like, yeah, I mean, I think it's I think people have to understand that, I don't know, how do I say that that's not offensive? Like you just like, like if you're getting burned, first of all, you should never put 100% of your money in so you never get to the point where you can get burned burned and lose. But life is full of risk. I'll give you a real example. So I have family friends, older generation, and this influenced a lot of the people in our social circle growing up in my friends, my parents, friends. So one friend of my parents, they lost 100% of the retirement when Nortel went bankrupt. Nortel is like a very, it's like a Verizon or AT&T. It was like fortune, I think 100 fortune, 500 for sure. It was enormous. Publicly traded. They went bankrupt. Totally unexpected was unprecedented with the amount of the size of the company going to zero, basically. If you if you've ever looked in like a doctor's office anywhere, like a phone on the counter, that's what they made. They made like phones for almost every business in the world and you'll see their phones everywhere. But the point is they were enormous. They went to zero. So when people lose their life savings like that, they never, ever want to invest in anything ever again. First issue is that their life savings were in one company. Second issue was like you just because something bad happened doesn't mean you can never figure it out ever again. Like you do have to you have to move on. You have to take out like I've lost money in investments. For sure. I've been scammed and I've been robbed. I've never been robbed. I've never been robbed. Thank God knock on wood. Never happens. But the point is you like you got to move on and you got to use that shitty circumstance as education. And now you're going to be you know 10x the pain in the ass to cam because now you've been burned before. But now you're going to you're going to understand the questions to ask. This is like the evolution. This is healthy. And then you go into the next thing with a little bit more research, a little bit more conviction. And eventually something works out. It does work out. If you sort of like hedge the risk. Do you do diligence? Don't take the loss as failure, but as a lesson for the next thing. Eventually it will work out. That's the way I look at it. Always remember that the biggest risk is playing it safe forever. Because you will realize at the end of it all, it is not what you thought it was going to be. I think that people that aren't investing in you or otherwise. We're going to run into an issue at some point with a younger generation that doesn't have pensions that doesn't have even investments that doesn't have any wealth built at all. And they're going to figure out at about 45, 50, 55 that they're fucked and they're going to have no idea what to do. And I don't think we've hit that point yet because I mentioned before like my dad and my parents generation I'm 35. They all had pensions. They all had retirement set up. This is going to be the first generation of people that are living paycheck to paycheck. And life is quote unquote, okay. And then they're going to hit 50 years old and they're like, shit, how do I stop working? Or they're going to have a medical thing. And then they're going to be like, I can't afford this. I just don't think this generation is actually thinking ahead to the future at all. Even the new rich kids like the Miami balcony boys and stuff, I didn't realize I make way more money than these guys, but I spend way less. I'm like, damn, you guys are living really good. They spend a lot of money, bro. I don't spend that much money. And I still travel first class international domestic. I do business, right? I drive a $70,000 car, but the payment is $390 because it's not a lot. Brent is 3,400, big house, tier two city. So it's like, I think the reason a lot of these new rich kids are going to end up fucked is because of what you just said, they're spending too much. They're not investing in themselves in the right things. And also on a mindset level, porn is the new drug. I don't know how much you want to even care to talk about that. But it's like, like, these guys are hooked, man. And they are distracted and they're spending money on women, because that's apparently cool. Oh, I don't, I don't even understand that. Well, luckily you're 35. You don't, yeah, I don't, I don't understand that at all. That's very strange to me. Like the whole like only fans epidemic and they're not on alcohol anymore. They're hooked on women because once again, technology made them attached to their phone. So they don't have social skills. So only fans is really easy to access. And they can at least communicate with a woman without risk because there's no fear associated with them. That thank God. I mean, like when I started dating, I've always been in like very long term relationships. When I started dating, Tinder didn't even exist. And then I've never met somebody really through dating apps. I mean, actually, that's kind of a lie. I mean, the current, the current, the current one, G, my fiance, I met her through sliding into her DMs on Instagram, but whatever. But you had a brand or no? Huh? You had a good, like, presence on IG. Not really. I had nothing. That's a good one. I had nothing. No, she's actually the reason why I started content. My girls are reason I started going to the gym seriously. My girl, I did the Leila Hormosi Alex Hormosi thing with my girl when I got robbed. Yeah, I totally listen. I'm a sinking ship. I got laid off. I got robbed like in a row, right? Like, I'm like, you should probably go. Like, you're only four or only four months in. Like, you should probably go. It's okay. And she stayed. She started paying for stuff. She moved in, paid half the rent and bills for a year, and paid for half the travel when we went to network and do stuff for me. And you just can't walk away from somebody that really has your back, bro. I had a low point too. And with G, I said the same thing, which is wild to me because I heard that Leila Hormosi Alex Hormosi story. I'm sorry. Leila was, and for really don't know, basically Alex said at one point, like, you should just leave me because I'm not doing too hot. And I had that moment with her at one point. And she's like, what are you fucking idiot? Like, no, I'm in this. Yeah. And like, yeah. And on the dating app thing too, like, I've dated girls from dating apps, but it's hard to like showcase who you really are. So you're not going to give yourself the best chance of success unless you're super like, and that's a thing. It's like even the really, really, really good looking guys that I know that do better on dating apps. It's like, dude, my charm gets me in the door. Like, it's not. Oh, 100% dating apps. You can't really, you can't really show who you are. No, it's text based. Yeah, text, meaning like messaging was like, if you can, you got to think also that's the cesspool that everybody's playing in, whereas at the gym, no girls are really getting approached by that and the right approach in the right way. Or at the coffee shop guys are ignoring girls because they're attached to their phones. So go play big fish small pond. I do this. My dating strategy is my trading strategy. It's big fish small pond. I would say the lesson is like, just go do shit that people are unwilling to do in life. That's like a good, a good way to end up in a spot that nobody else is in. Like, if everybody, if everybody is like, okay, I'm happy with dating and sliding into DMs or going on Tinder. Or I'm happy with a W2 job, but just do the opposite. And you'll end up probing a pretty good spot. It's not that hard to be most people. Most people suck. That's the line. That's the line. Let's bring it home. Okay, so let's leave the audience with a little bit of wisdom. They've listened to the podcast. A lot of information. Of course, you have a discord set up where people can go trade for free for seven days. So we're going to put that in the show notes below. Where can they connect with you? Profit with Cam, add profit with Cam. Yeah, so at profit, PRO, FIT with Cam, KAM, okay. Instagram is where you can message me directly. YouTube is where you can go and see longer form videos about trading and like strategy and stuff that we do. And then we'll have the discord link in the description. All you have to do is join it's free. And then I will message you to book a call and walk you through how it works. Okay. And then it's pretty straightforward. Two things will happen when you're in there. One, you will be able to see that other people are making money and talk to them. Or you will actually get into trades and take the risk and follow along. Either way, it's pretty hard to ignore if you show up for seven days. Like if you actually do the trial, we give it away for a reason because we know it's not a waste of our time because we know you will see what's going on and what's going on is very good. When people, they'll go in, they'll trade for seven days. If they are just listening to this and you just want them to walk away with sort of one insight in terms of investing, in terms of options, just like one last piece of wisdom that they can take away and just action to more of what would that piece of wisdom be? In general or in relation to the trial? Let's let's start in in terms of options and investment. And then I'm going to ask you in just in general. Yeah. So the American investment middle class system 401k S&P 500 buying stocks and waiting forever is built for you to fail because you do not have a lot of money and that is why those systems exist. Meaning the bank is taking your money that you put in your checking account and doing riskier things like trading options literally and doing loans and high interest loans and doing the things that they do to make a lot of money and then give you a little bit of money. So how can you retire off of that? Can't. Two on a mindset. That's a financial system. On a mindset thing, remember that most people are operating just like you, which is why you guys are all in the same place and you need to change the way that you make decisions to get a different result. So if you come on a call with me and you want your life to change and you do your due diligence, but you let fear hold you back from a next step. Whether it's with me or the next thing or the girl at the gym or anything, you need to change the way you make decisions to get a different result. Don't want or expect different unless you're actually willing to change the way you make decisions. 70 grand for the peptide business that I'm in was a little bit scary, more for pride, not for the amount of money that I have. Meaning like, damn, if I get screwed, that's kind of embarrassing. I've known this guy for a long time. He's a good dude. But I know that's not the case, but you still feel it. Do I act on feeling or do I act on logic? I act it on logic and due diligence. That's how you should make decisions.