Guest Podcast: The Secrets to Entrepreneurial Success (Rich Dad Cash Flow Academy)

Today you're going to hear me on the Rich Dad Cash Flow Academy podcast with Andy Tanner. Make sure you subscribe on YouTube or go listen wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the Cash Flow Academy podcast. I'm your host, Andy Tanner. Great show setup. This is where we make investing simple and we're going to make entrepreneurship simple today. Have a wonderful guest. We have Scott DeClairey with us. And we're going to talk about entrepreneurship, starting a business, starting from square one, some of the traits for success. Remember to like and subscribe. Hit your notification bell to get updates when we release new material. And don't forget to drop by your investing class.com where we have great education, great goodies and lots of fun stuff there. Scott, first of all, welcome to the program. This is going to be a great interview. I'm excited to learn. So let's just start off here. You're the host of a success story podcast. So you get to tell stories about, you know, you interview a lot of people who found success and learned from that. And you also have your own background in business, you know, real estate venture capital. So let's just start by introducing you to the listeners and tell us a little bit about your journey. Yeah. So I appreciate you having me on. So thank you very much. I'm going to be a lot of fun. I'm also a kindred spirit of fellow podcaster and that's sort of where I spend most of my time now. My background is in tech. I've also invested in a variety of different things. I'm successfully some not so successfully as most people who are probably listening to this podcast and can relate to. I think that you mentioned something that's interesting. You said, well, this is the this is a cash flow academy podcast we're focusing on teaching you about investing and obviously cash flow and you know finding ways to make money. But I think that people that are interested in investing are inherently entrepreneurial. They are trying to find ways to make money secure their futures, secure freedom in a way that is maybe a little bit outside the the way that our education system or even our parents have taught us, right? So people are looking for new ways to do things to make money to create well. So I think that I think that entrepreneurship and investing are two sides of the same coin. I think that people are usually interested in both. And if you aren't interested in entrepreneurship, you should at least be a little bit because it's going to massively inform your investment decisions if you go into certain categories because you'll be betting on entrepreneurs. So my background, I started off in tech from a very young age actually from a very risk adverse family. So going to tech was a little bit of a stretch, but I always consider myself a little bit of like a like a black sheep in my family because my my parents, my dad worked for government, my mom worked for universities and I decided to go into tech. That's still nine to five, but that was still a little bit of a little bit outside the norm for coming from my family, but I enjoyed a lot and I was good at tech sales and I made a lot of money and I sort of spent a lot of my early career in tech. Then I moved in, well, the sort of light bulb moment for me when I understood equity and ownership and entrepreneurship is when I moved from one very large company, it was a company called Bell Canada, which is like one of AT&T Verizon's size company in Canada for Telecom. Moved into a smaller company that was also in Telecom tech IT that was acquired by private equity and I saw that transaction play out and in my mind I'm like, wow, if I could only have had a piece of this company look at what kind of check I'd be getting and that pushed me down the rabbit hole of entrepreneurship, starting something from scratch, taking equity position, ownership, all of it. I found it so exciting, super high risk, but also at the time in my career I was young and that season of my life I was okay with that type of risk and I think that there's a lot of parallels between career risk and the season of your life that you're in and how much risk you want to put into your career working in a startup as well as investment risk. I mean if you are looking to invest you all have risk profiles and you are trying to figure out what season of your life you are in and how that ties into your personal risk profile. So a lot of parallels between entrepreneurship and investment. Anyways, so sort of dove into startup land, had a lot of failures, tried to do consulting work for startups, taking equity positions, I tried to start a couple of my own companies. There was one that was successful where I joined a company because I'm on the sales and marketing side that's sort of been my forte in my whole career. I joined a company, helped them scale up, helped them get acquired and that was a great success and that was sort of my entire career summed up in about a minute and a half. That's pretty good. After that, that's when my investment journey started because I now had a little bit of money to play with and I think like most entrepreneurs once they've achieved some level of success or even most people that have achieved some success in their career, they sometimes equate their operational success in companies to some sort of proficiency in investing which is not the case. Just because you can know just because you built one company or you know how to build a company or you know how to sell a product does not mean that you're going to be a great investor and I think that that's a journey that a lot of people go on especially exited entrepreneurs. They go on that journey and try and figure out okay what's next. Do I start another company? How do I make my money work for me? Do I you know I do I do the VC thing? Do I do the angel thing? Do I put money into real estate? Do I put money into private equity? I've basically tried all of it to some degree and we can talk about what I like and what I don't like about different types of investment categories but yeah that was sort of my journey so as employee to operator entrepreneur to investor and and now I podcast invests still mentor companies and and I love it. I love I love the entrepreneurial ecosystem. I love the investment ecosystem because there is never a day that is boring so that's what I can say about that. So I often catch myself maybe saying this too often maybe the listeners tire of it but I think it bears repeating into every conversation is there's a when you use talk about moving from you know from employee to to being an entrepreneur and starting up a business or investing either one there's a I often say that the moment you make that choice what you've really done is you've embarked on a journey of personal development and often in a you know a podcast like this one I think listeners are craving a practical how-tos you know I step a like like a recipe for bacon cookies you know step A step B this what you do and and yeah it's great but I don't know anyone we were talking before we you know went on the air you know as it is and it was funny because you said yeah I've had enough mistakes you know I could teach you a lot of stuff for the mistakes I made and I thought you know I think of the businesses I started and failed in and it was so interesting in your story is as I said you tell your story you said yeah I did some stuff and failed and then you moved on it was kind of a show of shoulders and that idea of failure and and what it takes emotionally mentally and and the toughness frankly that it takes to move on I don't think people realize that you know you're just like all the other entrepreneurs myself to yeah I had some failures and then you move on to the other stuff those failures when you're in the middle of them and the blood and the sweat and the tears and the dragons you're you're slaying talk a little bit about before we get into you know practicality of maybe some ideas and things to think about in practice and starting a business how to type stuff talk about that I mean did you find that that for me investing in and especially entrepreneurship it basically was able to just immediately pick out huge weaknesses I had and put them on display for the world to see it had a way of rooting out yeah I had some strengths wasn't a complete idiot but I was close because it's just it's just pinpointed areas where I didn't know ignorance places I didn't know what I was doing also just resilience and and dealing with people and failure and betrayal and everything else talk a little bit about that if you would yeah I think that so first of all failure is a prerequisite to whatever your definition of success is doesn't matter it doesn't matter who you look at or or which entrepreneur you look up to or which investor you look up to they've all failed a million times I think that what has allowed me to fail repeatedly I mean the you're right when you're going through it it sucks but I have never two two thoughts I've never completely attached my identity and myself worth to the thing that I'm building or the thing that I'm investing in and I've also always learned to bet on myself those are two I think very important mindsets that I think can be taught to a degree but it's something that I've had to work on and something that I've you know hindsight is 2020 looking back those two minds have served me probably more than any other because if I attach my whole identity to a business and it fails I feel like I failed as a person and that will have more of a negative impact on the next thing that I do than just the fact that this particular business failed or I lost X amount of dollars on this venture or this this startup that I put money into so I try to not attach my personal identity to a failure because I truly do believe as long as I'm breathing on this planet I have another chance of being successful at the next thing and the second thing yeah oh go ahead sorry no I was going to I was going to mention the second the second idea just quickly it's it's true belief in myself so there's a concept called a locus of control and what that concept is teaching is do you have an internal locus of control or an external locus of control do you believe that the world happens to you or you happen to the world it do you have self agency in your decision and I believe that when I bet on myself I have an internal locus of control meaning that I believe that if I want something to happen it is on me I have extreme ownership I have extreme self agency in that situation and if something doesn't work I'm not going to attach it to my identity but I do take ownership for the failure but I also know that any success is also because of me and I can trust myself to figure out that problem going forward so those two ideas yeah really just help me get through any failure that's I think those are probably the two most important concepts that I've internalized you know I I really hope that that I'm going to share what I learn from that in listening to you and I hope people don't miss miss what I think you said you know as an athlete you know even though I don't you know I was never a professional athlete but I was able to play um a division one basketball college a little bit I wasn't even a standout athlete but I'll tell you this a loss of a game I didn't I didn't say well I'm no longer a good basketball player because I lost the game I did not let a loss at any time that I can remember translating into my own identity as a player those were separate things and the loss of a business is kind of like that it's a long came and sometimes it hurts and gain losing hurts but it doesn't speak to who you are inside necessarily but I'll tell you what I the other thing you said that I briefly liked particularly in in my home country the United States is the locus of control you know we we just finished uh you know if you're in Canada and you're looking over the border at the United States you just got to grab a bunch of popcorn and watch the show and just shake your head and say you know you know I'm Canadian but I'm in Miami right now right well you know but it's got to be an interesting perspective right from from wherever you are and so uh when you talk about the locus of control you know politics and politicians want to frame every election I put this in chat GTP and said give me all the matchups in US history all of them you know every single election and then I said find me I had to talk about their what they said and without exception even in you know guys like we're saying the guy run against Thomas Jefferson he says this guy's an existential threat to the history you know to the future of the country in other words they want to take the locus of control and say it's about who you vote for yeah and and it's an external thing and if if we get the right person in the White House things are gonna be fine but boy if we don't your life is gonna and and that locus of control moves from what I can do in my own personal policy and that's what politics comes from is policy you know I have a personal monetary policy I have a personal fiscal policy I have a personal you know rules and standards that I don't bow to rules I raise to standards in my home and those rules and that that control uh is inside my house and inside of my mind and my heart it's got very little to do when I wake up in the morning of who the hell the president is they've never bought they've never bought me an asset they've never paid a bill of mine uh you know they they they really have a tremendously limited impact on my life warrant buffet has invested since 1940 whatever and he's always been in stocks he says half the time I've had a president vote for but it's never kept me out of stock so yeah that locus of control that you said that's a mindset that is so rare and and I'll I'll even add to that you know risk is related to control you know the more control I have over a system the less risk I take the less control I have you know the outcome will be what it is externally so that idea I love that phrase um the locus of control is it within you or is it within your boss or is it within your wife or your children or your spouse or or is it with your government and uh what a what a great diamond to I don't know the people can hear that and if they think their locus control I mean I was watching not to be too verbose on this but I was on the Twitter feed and someone's making fun of people that were uh that you know their candidate lost and they were in hysterics you know and they're making fun of these people and of course it's emotional but the reason they were in hysteric is their locus of control is there and they felt they had no control over things they felt the frustration where maybe you think you know I can get up tomorrow morning and I can learn anything I want to learn with a Google I can start a journey I can start a business I can buy a company I can develop myself and I love that thought when we come back from break uh I'm going to talk to you we're going to move into more practicum we'll talk about you know the meaning of success you do have the success story podcast so I love to speak about the meaning success there's a lot of definitions which is different than a meaning but we'll talk about that uh when we come back uh speaking with Scott DeClery they make different topics that could be complex very simple you're going to learn at your own pace the more that you want to learn the more you can learn it's been amazing for me personally as well as me taking the subject matter and teaching it to my children they're all very passionate about what it is they're teaching and how they teach it and it just comes across as so genuine if it's something that you're interested in then certainly they're the best teachers that I've run across in terms of teaching fiscal education welcome back to the cash flow academy podcast this is where we make uh all things investing simple we're speaking about investing and entrepreneurship with the host of the success stories podcast uh Scott DeClery welcome uh welcome back and uh looking to dive into the to the next half here tell me about this if a person says I want to start a business they come to you say I'm sick of my nine to five I live in the United States I have the freedom to start a business today uh I want to start where would you tell them to begin I think that first of all they have to understand that starting a business is inherently risky so we're going to try and do risk it as much as possible but it is inherently risky so they have to understand before they even decide to start a business where is their personal north star so is it focused on spending as much time with my kids and my wife or my husband as possible or am I 25 and I literally am just going to the bars on the weekend so I have unlimited free time and I can invest 80 hours a week because I think that when you start a business you do have to understand your personal north star you have to understand we mentioned this before the season of the life that you're in and there's different ways to start businesses be entrepreneurs in different seasons but know that it's going to be a lot of work and there's going to be a risk associated with it regardless now that being said you can look at a couple different frameworks for figuring out what kind of business you should start you can look at a key guy or some sort of vent diagram of your passions what the world needs what you're good at and what you can monetize which is just a really great framework to start and then once you figure out what that thing is I'm a big fan of again a couple different mindsets towards starting a business because mindsets are what will make or break a business the tactics are very easy to find I can figure out how to run a Facebook ad set getting a 3x row as by going to some YouTube video or I can figure out how to hire the best employer I can go to upwork or top-tal and tap into the gig economy or I can figure out how to find product market fit and post great content on social and build a funnel I can figure out the tactics mindsets very important because mindset will replace the motivation or the fire that you first get when you want to start a business which will 11 out of 10 times fizzle out in about month two or three or four because shit's going to hit the fan it's going to get difficult so a couple different mindset ideas first of all you've done your vent diagram of what you should actually think of building I love the idea of and I'll just rip through them and then you tell me what you want to focus on I love the idea of building your your business between five and nine and you have your nine to five w two and then you build your business between five to nine and on the weekend so you'd be risk you're not going all in immediately I love the idea of reverse engineering success so looking at what someone else has built and reverse engineering how they've built what they've built look at somebody who's built a business that is a year ahead of you that's the same type of business same type of product and then you can reverse engineer the steps you use to take that to markets you can learn from other people I love the idea of commit to something for 10 years meaning that if you are going to build this thing assume it's going to take longer more time or energy more money than you think it's going to take so don't don't quit your job too soon make sure that not only have you built the financial structure and systems in place to allow yourself to afford to build this thing but also the the time commitments is going to take so if you assume something's going to take 10 years of your life okay then maybe I don't want to try and speed run building a business and try and cram it all into six months maybe I can work on it for 10 hours a week that's fine just find a way to play the long game and do it for an unreasonable amount of time and I think that between all of these ideas if you reverse engineer success if you build it in your downtime if you focus on committing to this thing for 10 years and you have this venn diagram of what to take to market based on again your skills at your passion what the market needs what you can monetize I think it's a very good recipe for success a very good practical way to at least start I think that's probably healthier way to start than most entrepreneurs start so those ideas alone I think will be quite good for somebody to start with. That's some really fantastic stuff particularly the the mindset of identifying skills and passion and that combination is a really interesting combination because the greatest entrepreneurs don't stop Buffett and the late Charlie Munger these guys are in their 90s and they get up in the morning and they could go sit at the pool and they could put a drink with an umbrella in it they could travel they could do anything they wanted anything they wanted to do and the thing that they want to do more than anything else is go their office and go to work and so the idea that you know people say well I want to be an entrepreneur so I own my own business and you know I have to work anymore well first of all when you start you don't own it it owns you for sure the amount of work that I really I really appreciate that because the amount of work it takes to do this stuff you have to enjoy it because you are going to work weekends and you are going to work especially in the early times when you get that thing going and you know to to me there's certain if you want if you don't know what your skills are there's a great book called the happiness hypothesis and talks about flow state where flow state is where you have something really legitimately challenging and yet you know it's it's not easy to do and yet you are equal to that task and you're performing it well and you're you're just feeling this type of it's a it's a brand of happiness that is really different than love or even achievement because you're just in the middle of it it's a lot like in athletics when you're just in the zone and if you can find that and get into that uh that's fascinating stuff the other thing that really is interesting where you said commit to 10 years and uh that's an interesting thing I think maybe one of the hardest things yeah I think it's easier as an investor and I think it's very difficult as an entrepreneur I think it's different is as an investor I can pull the plug pretty easy and sell a stock that's not that's not too tough to do because you can look at it and say yeah you know there's just better opportunities over here but man when you put your blood and sweat and and heart you don't know if you're three feet from gold and knowing I think the hardest thing one among top 10 list of being entrepreneur is when I've been in businesses that have failed when to pull the plug or when to say you know never never never give up never never never get up so there's this there's times to divorce like there's marriages that are bad and you should divorce no I agree until that's your part you know you know your KPIs you need to know your KPIs for success that's the thing yes I do agree just just doing the same thing for 10 years and never pivoting and never changing and never iterating and never learning and and you know like what Kevin Ellery says is yeah there's a time when you take your business behind the barn and you shoot it that's that's valid but but I think that more people more people pull the plug for the wrong reasons that's all I'm saying yes there is a time to pull the plug on it but I think that going into it with the mindset of I'm gonna commit 10 years of my life to this thing it sets you up financially energy the amount of energy you got to commit to it the amount of time it just it it sort of creates this perfect framework for you to understand what it's going to take because if you sit if you say that to yourself even if you don't commit to it for 10 years or even if it's successful after three years good for you or if you kill it after two years the point is you understand what most most businesses that are successful they do take around six to 10 years to be truly successful not just a not just a high paying job that takes twice as much of your time but yeah there's the key performance indicators you mentioned that's a huge deal because as I've grown in business those become more and more important to to business to know how to tweak them to get people around you that know how to tweak them well to try not to do the very it's not hard for me I think be hard for some people but this comes very easy to me not to be the smartest person in the room that's just been natural for me easily but you got to have a great team to do this let's pivot a little bit to this great great podcast Scott great insights yeah you can tell pretty quickly when when someone has really been there and when they haven't let's talk a little bit about the meaning of success you have a podcast where you talk about success stories and the success stories and I'll throw this first let's do a definition I don't know if definition mean the same but what what would you say if I say define what is success if I was going to define success based on all the conversations that I've had over the past now six years it's been a minute well um time flies but yeah it's going to define success it would probably be one word to be freedom that's what people that's what people define success as it is freedom it is not it is not a financial number because most people don't actually need as much money as they think they do to live the lifestyle that they've imagined and dreamed of it's not it's not accolade it's not notoriety it's usually usually it's being around people that love you doing whatever you want to do with no one telling you what to do and I think that that's the definition of freedom and some people excuse more towards work because they enjoy it some people excuse more towards traveling the world some people excuse more towards being super present with their family and their spouse but it's freedom at the end of the day and it usually is actually ironically enough never directly defined by financial wealth or some sort of amount of money made that's just a precursor for freedom and have to agree that there's a threshold I believe where uh where there's a diminishing return in terms of of quality of life after freedom's been achieved in other words let's say you you get to a point where you can pretty much do what you want to do you wake up the morning and you're doing what you want to do um so then maybe you buy a Ferrari uh and then maybe a by Lamborghini and then maybe you buy something else and I just really feel that the uh the returns on on a bigger bank account after you've got autonomy um it gets tougher and tougher and tougher to get a return on more and more and more and more money I don't know I mean I even hit the hundred million dollar marks so maybe I'm breaking wrong maybe there's a lot of happiness no I have friends that have exited company for over a hundred million dollars I have not but I have I have good friends and I and I mean I don't see their lifestyle being significantly different than somebody who has exited the company for 20 or 30 or 40 mil I mean these are all large sums of money for for the average person uh but I mean for most people I've had this conversation there's a great uh finance youtuber Vivian too and we're talking about like what's your number and she's like her handles like the rich BFF or something like that she creates a whole bunch of finance kind of like this stuff um and I was I had her on the show and I was asking her what's her number and she's like it's 20 million because 20 million if I invest it in very low risk I can maybe get four to five percent back from that annually and then I'm running out of million dollars every single year and I mean that's a that's a fabulous amount of money because think about the things that people want they want vacations they want to stay in luxury resorts most people don't care about um like buying a sports team or owning a private island or yeah maybe with with a million dollars a year by the way you can fly private you wouldn't own your own jet but you fly private if you really care about that so you can have a private chef you can have a gardener I mean that's a fair amount of money for most people like most people's dreams are actually not that they're not huge they just want they just want to not worry about living paycheck to paycheck okay maybe it changed a little bit if you want to own a beautiful piece of real estate in Manhattan but I don't even think many people want to own a beautiful piece of real estate in Manhattan I think they actually again they're optimizing for their family their quality of life they're freedom so well that's a thoughtful question yeah it's a thoughtful question because I've thought a lot about that you know that meaning or definition success a lot um when I was younger probably 21 22 years old I I listened to a really cool audio series was on cassette date from rural night and gale called lead the field and he had an interesting definition for success I held on to it for a lot of years it said it was kind of worthy he said success is the progressive realization of a worthy goal or ideal that was kind of a mouthful at age 21 I had to think a lot about what that might mean as I've gotten older I've kind of gravitated towards something actually heard in church when I was even younger than that it just never really sunk in was you know to fulfill the measure of your creation and enjoy it find joy in that you know a bicycle is not successful until it's assembled and written by a child a an apple seed is not successful till it's planted nurtured grows into an apple tree and bears fruit in its kind and as I've thought about that gap between you know what I am now and that frustration of that gap before I could be the pursuit of closing that gap to to be who I to to fulfill potential you know I think one of the saddest saddest things is where you know I had a friend I had a friend of mine giving me kind of a strange compliment he was recommending that I work with someone and he told this someone so he says you know and this is years ago he says you know Andy now there's a guy there's anyone that has potential has them have filled it's that guy he meant it as a compliment but then when it came I says oh I think I came the wrong way you know but but it's an important thing to think about let let's uh I I'd be remiss this is bit out of order a bit of I'd remiss if I didn't talk about this you know in a way I think it'd be easier to be an entrepreneur you talked about you know getting a return on your ad spend the the term row as you used earlier I think it's yes and no I think it's easier in a lot of ways to be an entrepreneur in our day and age than maybe any other time we've ever had you know the the technology to communicate to deliver information logistically to deliver products and services and I'd I'd a dear relative who had a degree in computer science spent spent 30 years of his career you know trying to figure out the code that he could sell the software he could build the app he could come up with you know to make it happen and uh you know has a divorce loses you know those are painful emotionally financially and right towards the age retirement he starts he goes to Amazon buys a pumice stone that's on the end of a stick acquires some rights to that and it's a toilet scrubber and the guy winds up selling his Amazon business for all this cash where he can now retire and live off in the sunset and I said you know when you're in your computer science class as you ever think you'd make your your fortune with a pumice stone you know a rock on the end of a stick that cleans toilets you know it's amazing it is you know the the world we live in has opportunity with that said AI AI is kind of a game changer and it's it's there's more competition now so ease of access means more people are going to you know throw their hat in the ring of entrepreneurship what's your take your background technology how's AI going to change this for entrepreneurs is it is it uh gonna is it going to consolidate around the big guys and the big guys you're just going to make more or does the little guy still have a shot I think the little guy always has a shot so a couple a couple again a couple ideas on this for sure I one of my favorite graphs that I look at is a graph and you can go search this on google and you'll find it it's a graph that shows the amount of people required to build a million dollar company over time and if you go back to say 1950 maybe it's I'm making up these numbers maybe it's 30 or 40 or 50 people but if you fast forward then you look at 2024 to build a million dollar company it only takes one person and I think that the barrier to entry for entrepreneurship has never been lower which is great like you mentioned in that allows anybody to build and with no code tools and AI even non technical people can build technical products fabulous now you asked well what about the big guys are they just going to create all these solutions and the answer is no because even with even with access to no code tools and all these AI tools and platforms the one thing that big companies will never do is move as fast as early stage entrepreneurs or take as many risks as early stage entrepreneurs or build a culture of innovation like early stage entrepreneurs so the life cycle of entrepreneurship is small company starts to build something maybe it could be one person building code in developing it grows it makes a money it grows some more it makes some more money it starts to get some bloat it could either be acquired or and sometimes when it's acquired it's killed which is a totally different conversation and there's reasons for why companies don't acquire properly but if it keeps growing he's getting bloated and then eventually it will no longer be nimble enough to bring new products and solutions to market as quickly as again that one solo entrepreneur building at home in their parents basement so the cycle of entrepreneurship it allow it the barriers to entry have never been lower but again you should still build not because you should still build because of course you have the opportunity the barriers to entry are lower there will be competition but you will always have the opportunity to build something innovative that's solving a true pain point and you can usually do it much quicker than a large company so that's why when when he's an entrepreneur builds a solution that it would make sense that meta or Google or Amazon would just build an investors will say well you know how do I know that meta or Google or Amazon they're not just going to build that thing and then they're going to make you completely irrelevant because it will take them two to five years to build it and you can build it in two three four five months and also the thing is that the type of employee that gravitates towards a large company great point a collective collective group of them over time will be able to build it but companies know that if they want to have the best talent they are actually going to acquire the innovators that are trying to break things that have built solutions so maybe it's an aquahire maybe it's like maybe they just want you as an entrepreneur into their organization and building that thing that makes a million dollars per year in Google's eyes is nothing but it's your resume it's your it's your application to become a VP at Google pulling a five million dollar per year salary and working on innovative products so I think that there's always an argument to be made for somebody to build something fantastic stuff how do we how do we find your podcast and tell us a little bit about how people can you know like subscribe and and learn from these stories I think you've got one of the greatest jobs in the world I I mentioned before the show I I mentioned before we started the show it's like I didn't want to do a podcast it's like aren't you just another thing to do the learning um I mean it's been better it's been the best school I've ever been to yeah learning from people that from all walks of life from academia from business the investing world it's just been incredible education so how can people listen to what you do and and stay in touch with you yeah it's it's very easy so success story podcast.com you'll see all the audio links Spotify Apple YouTube's on there too we got a channel um and then all the social is at Scott DeClaire and I talk about entrepreneurship mindset basically if you just like more of what we just ripped off of for the past 30 40 minutes then you'll like my content so yeah I mean it's it's you find people you'd like to go to dinner with and just pick their brain forever and that's what's nice about guys that will share it will broadcast and not only your story but all of those success stories that uh there's little nuggets I had several today uh the idea that the little guy is always in there the idea that you've got to find a a passion stick with it the idea that uh there's a freedom you know that that you're seeking that's probably gonna you find that's worth more than than uh any material stuff and there's so much so much great uh great content in there so I thank you so much you've been and hang out uh just for a bit so I can thank you properly after the show you've been watching and listening to the the cash flow academy podcast I'm your host Andy Tanner so we do our best to make this stuff simple and uh don't forget to like and subscribe hit your notification bell and drop by your investing class.com for free goodies and and uh all things investing education hope you enjoyed our conversation today we'll see you next time