Bill Bogs, Comedian, TV Host & Journalist | Lessons on Life, Comedy & Wonder Dogs

Welcome to the success story podcast, I'm your host, Scott Clary. On this podcast, I have candid interviews with execs, celebrities, politicians, and other notable figures, all who have achieved success through both wins and losses, to learn more about their life, their ideas, and their insights. I sit down with leaders and mentors and unpack their story to help pass those lessons onto others through both experiences and tactical strategy for business professionals, entrepreneurs, and everyone in between, with a further ado, another episode of the success story podcast. All right, thanks again for joining me today. I'm sitting down with Bill Boggs, who is an Emmy award-winning TV talk show host and producer, author and professional speaker. He began his career as a comedy writer and his comic novel, The Adventures of Spike, the Wonder Dog, as told to Bill Boggs reflects strong, observational comedy chops. He has written essays for The New York Times, Sunday Magazine, and travel articles also for the times. He is a true industry insider, Bill has interviewed many of the most notable personalities of our time, including cultural icons, music legends, presidents, writers, athletes, celebrities, chefs, and a movie star or two. In 2008 Harper Collins published his well-received motivational book, Got What It Takes, based on his interviews with highly successful people. His TV credits include the long-running mid-day live, a decade hosting, and producing Bill Boggs' corner table on the Food Network, along with the programs on Showtime, The Travel Channel, ESPN, and all major networks. Bill was also the host and producer of the syndicated series Comedy Tonight, and the executive producer for the groundbreaking Morton Downey Jr. show. I'm interviewing somebody who can probably do this job much better than me. I appreciate it. Stop it. What are you talking about? It's good to be with you, Scott. Thanks for asking me on guy there in Toronto. I bet your life is really good. Are you married? You have a family? Not yet. That's next step. A man about town before the pandemic. Exactly. Now I'm just stuck at home. It's not much to do, but yes, life is not so bad. Life is not so bad. Thank you for sitting down. I appreciate it. Good. So let's, you know, I want to speak about the book. I also want to speak about what led you to the point where you're going to write a book. So walk me through, walk me through your life, your career. What, you know, there's so many accolades. I guess, you know, I don't want to do everything. But if you want to do everything we can, just walk me through what brought you to this point in your career. Well, the standpoint of your show, which is, you know, dealing with success. I'll try to have that be like the germinating essence of some of my answers. So in the broad sense, what brought me to this point in my career. And I'm pointing my life when I am more grateful than ever before for the blessed and lucky life I've lived. I really have had a one. I'm having a wonderful life. But I would say what really brought me here was the way I was raised. And good parents. I, apparently was born with a above average intelligence, not really high, but above average intelligence. And I had an early age developed a very deep. And full some active imagination, Scott. And so I think what really brought me here was the way I was raised. I, I think that my parents always without pushing me, believed in me and had expectations that I would do well. And within a very, a very early point in my life, I demonstrated doing well, not that I was the smartest kid in the class. But that I just excelled at various things. And I, and I just wanted to keep doing that. That may sound self-serving, but what really got me this point in my life is a belief in myself. And a great deal of that belief was instilled in me by my mother. To a somewhat lesser degree by my father and by my schooling and public school and so on. So what got me to this point is resolve when we're resolved. Now my, my question to you, when you have somebody who is an expert or has excelled in so many different aspects or areas of their life, is how do you choose what to take on? Oh, that's an interesting question. I always chose to take on what I was interested in and what I've been passionate about in my life. And I've always choose it's not always because sometimes I just had to make choices for money. And generally when I made those choices, I wasn't having as much fun and enjoyment. I'm not one of those guys in the business who's made multi billions of dollars. Following, pretty much what I wanted to do and what I thought for the most part I could do well, even if I hadn't done it before. So enough faith and belief in myself to take risks and try things, but the risks were always generally in an area where I had a skill set that could fill in the behavior that it would take to accomplish those goals rather than not. For example, I wouldn't have ever taken the risk to become a pilot because I would have gone down to play. I just don't have that skill set. I would have been like this and I wouldn't have liked it. So operating with wide boundaries, belief in myself and always willing to take a risk. So a lot of these, a lot of these ventures that you took on, you took the risk, but you also, you also succeeded eventually and many of these. I'm sure there was obviously things that you know you struggled with, but what. Every day. Now are there commonalities and when you take so many different things on that that enabled you to exceed and just be successful in so many different arts and ventures. Is there a common theme that you sort of apply across everything you do? I think belief in myself and belief in what my God given talent and I think that having that faith in myself enabled me to continue to try to move forward. I look, my career hasn't been as big as many, many other people. However, early on when I was in about 25 years old, just starting comedy. I made like a vow and wrote an inside of my forehead that my career in my life is going to die category. So in the process, I posted 15 different shows, I've done, I have six different stage shows I've done, I've become a public speaker, I've written three books, two novels and motivational book. And I've posted game shows, I posted talk shows, I posted history shows, I posted boxing, I posted food network shows. And these are all things I was interested in, but as I said, you can find people with way, way bigger success from our high profile careers than me go box, but not too many people with the wide array of things I've done. And that has led to an enormously happy satisfying life. And as you've done these things, you eventually moved into what you're working on now, which is, what would you classify, what would you classify, spike the wonder wonder dog as is it, is it just a comedy or is it more of a commentary on what your life was, how would you classify the work. I think it's both those things, let's take a look at the book, here is the book, it has this beautiful bold yellow cover, the adventures of spike the wonder dog as told to bill box the dog narrates the story told me the story and I wrote it down for the dog. Top, we have highly original and hilarious satire, Winston group author of far as gum, so that's a clue right there that it's satire. And I just got a cue from my directing smile and have fun, I'm not smiling, not smiling. Well, I think you're doing fine. It's hard, I can smile when I talk on tellers and better when I have sunglasses on. Get me my sunglasses. Here's a fake smile. You should always smile with your eyes more than than your mouth. And spikes in the book as brother told them, wag with your eyes, Billy, not smile with your eyes, Billy, not your tail. And then on the back there's all kinds of good reviews from writers and producers and stuff like that. Alan's White Bell, who was one of the original Saturday Night Live writers, wrote so smart, witty and inventive that I had to keep reminding myself that I didn't read it. I didn't write it. I didn't write it. I don't focus on smiling that I can't read. It's okay when I when I don't smile. Let me try this one. Here you go. New York Post. Is that enough? It looks like it looks like you're being held hostage. But eventually anyway, New York Post says, no box takes us on a darkly comic journey. And but the key thing is this at the top of the book. It says at a time when we can all use a laugh for God's sake, yes. Yeah. Cass presents the audacious adventures despite the Wanda Dog here, answering your question satire, social commentary absurdist humor and a touch of personal memoir narrated by fiction, spountiest k9. Now that's a big long diet job. book. If you like to laugh, if you want to take a big look at the so-called culture in America and want to poke some arrows in it, and if you like dog stories, you know, dog stories are very popular in Fiction Scott, and the critics are saying that Spike, Spike the Wonder Dog, is the Fiction's funniest canine. So when lose or draw, I think the book will be remembered, and it's gotten grateful to say excellent reviews, but it would be, will be remembered as having created Fiction's funniest canine. So that's a long answer, but that is an answer to your quite astute question. Now I'm going to smile and wait for the next question. It's okay because when I concentrate too much, I have the biggest, you know, you know, RBF, right? You're the term. The the resting bitch face. It's when you, it's when you just look mad all the time, and it's like my TV watching face, it's my concentrating face, it's my, I don't understand you, but I'm trying to understand you face, and I just look mad. And I think that I feel like I'm sort of locked in a smile, but I felt that that was normal. I was enjoying myself. I know, I didn't, I didn't feel, I didn't like the vibes, but I appreciate it. I'll thank you for something funny in the book. Okay, it's back. Tell me, tell me more about, so, so walk me through, walk me through the story, because if there are points of it that tie into your life, I think that's also interesting, as opposed to just asking you parts about your life. But on the one hand, yes, on the other hand, I don't want people to think, gee, I don't want to get the attention despite the one dog, because I never heard he's guy Bill Boggs is going on and on about himself on Scott's show. However, most fiction writers, many, I'm not saying most, many fiction writers will simply say that they write close to what they know. So my book is set in the world, a set in the world of talk shows. The Bill Boggs career has been a career predominantly on talk shows. I've had 15 different TV shows. So my career is starting in Philadelphia, my hometown, then I went down to North Carolina, where I had a show called Southern Exposure with Bill Boggs, which was on the three years, it was on ABC affiliate, it got syndicated in the South. It wasn't quite a successful show. We beat the today show, the whole three years were on the air, which was pretty good for a local show at that time. This is before, you know, a good morning America would be on the ABC affiliate. Anyway, so on that show, I had a very funny dog, my own dog, English bull terrier, like you see here, jumping through the TV screen, that kind of dog. And he was on the show and a dog was a natural clown, the English bull terrier breed. In a way, the book is partly a tribute to that breed, is known as the clown of the canine world. It's really like having a really fine little kid in a dog suit. Right before going to New York for my big, another note, Jane, the dog. It's right behind you. Oh yeah, the dog. Oh, it's in the shot. It's in the shot. Yeah, yeah, it's here. Do the interview. I have someone monitoring what I'm doing. So this, here you go right now. This is an example of despite the wonder dog. It's also a bank. You see, it's the same bank that is used in the counting room in the casino and Monte Carlo, they have these lined up and they put the money in there. That's the, there's spike, spike the wonder dog. I think anyone will get that, that was actually a joke there. I got the joke. I got the joke. I've been to that casino too. It's a beautiful. It's a piece of juice. Did you lose money or win money? I was up a hundred euro. And then what happens? And then I walked away because I knew that everyone else had won more money than me. No, I'll hold them, know how to fold them, know how to walk away and know how to run. So right before going to New York, a long time ago in the 70s, the dog got killed. Run over by a drunk driver right in front of me. Terrible. Terrible. Anyway, when I committed myself to write this novel, my second novel, first one was written several years ago and was actually optioned for a movie by Renée Zellweiger. She liked that book, but anyway, I thought, what if Spike hadn't gotten killed and what about a story where he and a talk to a host like me go from North Carolina and come to New York and Spike becomes a huge star in social media and on today's world. And that was my premise. I knew where it was going to end. I knew that the dog was going to face tremendous obstacles the same as on life that fame would lead to being kidnapped and stuff like that. So it's a satire all the way through, but it has, you know, Spike ends up having a near death experience and that some interesting thing. It's interesting stuff happens all along the line. Tell me honestly, hopefully that's not you having a near death experience. You know, I've done some bad interviews in my life. They're like a near death experience. This is this is not one of that. And so I just sent out to write the book and anyone listening now who knows anything about fiction writing is that the voice of your character has your characters have different voices and the voice of a very funny dog transmuted itself onto onto the page and then I knew I had something. I suddenly in this you really have to grasp this. I was writing in a voice I had not used on stage and any of my comedy shows. I had never written in this voice before with the inflections and insight and the sarcasm and the observational humor. And I knew something great was something really, really unique was happening. And that was what led me to writing the Avengers Spike the Wonder Dog as told the Bill Bond. It's now just out. So if you like dogs, if you like the laugh, if you want to read some solid satire, the satire is a very it's hard to satirize our society as it is. It seems so satirical. But I think you enjoy the book. Everybody who's read it has said I laughed out loud more reading the Avengers Spike the Wonder Dog than any book in recent history. And that's a quote I've not made that up. I think that, you know, I think that you mentioned one point that was really great. It's like we need some positivity in the world right now, which is so negative. And this isn't really a question or just a comment. I find that there's so much so much focus on negativity and especially with what's going on right now in the world that when you have these like works like this, like that's why I really like speaking about them and bringing them polite. This is more maybe take a break from the news, take a damn news break, take a social media break because it's just toxic. I find so it's, you know, good on you for putting this out there. I think the timing is 100% right? You know, is there more to it after in your career, you've written this book. I think that this is a time when people need like a relief from from all the shit that's going on in the world. What do you want to do with your career going forward after after this? You just pick up things. I have clear goals. I have clear goals. One is to expand my social media presence. I have entertaining stuff that goes on Facebook, I've Instagram and Twitter. Expand that presence right? That's one goal. And the second and the more important goal is to write a sequel to the Avengers Respective Underdog that I have the title. The title is called Spike Unleashed, the Wonder Dog Returns. And so that that's my initial goal. I'm not pursuing TV work. I think I will, I do have a show now. I don't think you're aware of that. I have a show called Trap Live. And I do it once a week. We did it this week with Bob Kosses, the Hall of Fame sportscaster. And the shows that I shoot are on live on YouTube and Facebook. And then they stay on my YouTube channel. You were kind enough to mention some of the shows that I worked on and host it. I have a YouTube channel where I've for almost 15 years now invested my money. No one else's money is my money to digitize old tapes. So the YouTube channel has videos on it going all the way from my first television appearance in 1970 up until the day before yesterday in depth interview with Bob Kosses. I'm on it right now. I see it. I would urge people to go to Bill Boggs TV on YouTube, B-I-L-L-B-O-G-G-S-T-V. Subscribe. This is of course a natural free thing. Then you get notified when things go up. And we only press the button when something good goes up, which is like maybe once a week at the most. So we put up the Bob Kosses interview. Some of the other guests on that show have been Lucy Arnez, the Judy Gold, the comedian, Bobby Wright, that was on the show. A lot of good guests and they're all on Bill Boggs TV on YouTube. Yeah, I'm checking it out now. I think that it's funny you mentioned that. Do you see a difference in the strategy that somebody would take to get themselves known and recognize compared to the way that you did it over your career just because everyone had it. Completely different. Completely different. If I were a young guy like in my 20s, starting out right now, I would be killing it, meaning I'd be working really hard on posting stuff that would go viral. You know, when I started, there were only like three outlets for me to get a job in Philadelphia, three stations. Now you've got local stations, you have cable stations, you have streaming services, all manner of things. And the need for content is greater than ever. It doesn't mean you're going to make a lot of money doing it, but the ability to get started in the business now is I have a computer, I have a little camera, I have an idea, I'm going to go on, I'm going to go that with my phone, I'm going to shoot video, I'm going to edit it, I'm going to put it up, I'm going to talk about things, edit people, and you're in business. But when I started my career in the early 70s, it was a much steeper hill of the climb, much less competition, and just a completely different thing, Scott, completely different. And one other thing that I wanted to point out, that I thought was a really good point that, you know, part of the proceeds for this go to, or despite the wonder dog, they go to animal rescue, and I meant to bring this up before, but I didn't, I forgot about it, so I apologize. Why, why is this the case for you? Why is animal rescue important for you? Well, first off, I love animals, I care about animals as long as I can remember Scott, as long as I can remember the concept of an animal being an endangered species and then becoming extinct was horrifying today. And so hence, as time has passed with hunters and global warning and poaching, it's even worse on our animal friends, our bird friends, our insect friends. Now, that said, part of the book, the adventure, despite the wonder dog, the dog is kidnapped, the dog is snatched off the street, the dog becomes a dog who needs to be rescued. So I thought, why not turn over a portion of the proceeds and anyone who buys the book, the adventure, despite the wonder dog recognizes that a portion of the proceeds are going to go to animal rescue organization. So that was a thought there Scott. I think it's, I think it's admirable and I think it just sort of ties into the stuff you take on now, it's just very, it's very, you're very passionate about the things you take on. And I appreciate that. And I think that that's a lesson also combined with the fact that it's just a very admirable thing that you have built into your persona. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. That's nice of you to say that. Thank you. No, it's my pleasure. And I think it's just something that I want to highlight because it shows that when you do take all these things on and I sort of spoke with this at the beginning, but like the multitude of items that you've been successful at, like blew my mind when I first read about all the things. I knew your name, but I didn't know everything you were associated with until I started really doing with a deep diet. And it was funny. You know what's funny, Scott, when you've had a long career like me, right? But you haven't been like world famous, like I say, Stephen Colbert or somebody like that. When I meet people, you know, eventually that you meet them, you're at a party, you're in a mission of a show and what are you doing? What are you doing? I always say, I'm in the entertainment business. I'm in show business. Oh, really? What do you do? Well, I've primarily been on television. I've had several different talk to us. And this is as predictable as a rainstorm on a cloudy day. How come I haven't heard of you? I've heard this so many people have no idea, right? How that kind of, how come I haven't heard of you? Why? Why? This has happened hundreds and hundreds of times. Now, to a lesser degree, this happens. This hasn't happened for a year or two. But this is the one that really can get anything. Go box. Why aren't you on television? What happened to you? This does not engender like a really nice feeling. I could say, well, you know, I was executive producer. The Morton Downey Jr. show over two years during that period. And I know on a way, I'm just kind of telling you, it's interesting to be sort of a, whatever, a semi-public figure and some of the things that happens to you. I'll give you one, one other story. This is one of my favorites. At the height of my being, you say, recognized in New York City when I was doing midday live with Bill Boggs for 13 years. And while I did that, I did the comedy. Tonight's show, I did Saturday Morning Live. I did a game show with CBS. I was really very active. So, frequently in those days, you know, I'd walk down the street and people were way over somewhere. So one day, and this is exactly how it happened. One day, on the subway, going downtown, reading like the New York Daily News, the New York Post, I'm looking down like this. I'm reading, I'm reading. And in front of me, between me and the newspaper, a face comes in like this. You can't hide from us. We know you're hiding. Now, this is because this woman, this is, goes to show you, all is illusion, Scott. What she saw was television person reading a paper. And the reason he's reading a paper is he doesn't want to be recognized. No, I was reading a paper because I wanted to read the paper. I was on like a 20-minute subway run. So it's very interesting to see how, in a certain way, being notable can be a litmus test to stuff like that. Are people automatically assume things about you? But that's one of my favorite stories. Because first off, this woman's face is like right up here in my face. And she wasn't wacky. I mean, she act right, but she didn't look like a bag lady or anything. No, I think that's a very good story. Perception does not always equal reality. I think that, I think the second you get a little bit of notoriety or fame, people act different. It's a weird feeling. Yes, that could be. You know, I've always felt that I just put people at ease. And you know, every once in a while now I've done so much stuff. You know, somebody will say, well, you meant this. It's so gratifying to think that your work would be a value to people like that. That's actually one of my daily prayers. I hope that to do work today that's a value to people. And the current thing, the advantages, like the one to look, the value there is laughter. I mean, short of a vaccine in our in our arm laughter may be one of the very best medicines we have to get us through this really difficult time. Yeah, that's that's an important note. I think that everyone like you mentioned is struggling right now. Like the mental health is taking the beating when you isolate and you're stuck at home. I have a couple, just a couple, I guess, rapid fire. I'm ready. I just wanted to give you the floor. Was there anything that you got? Your volume has just gone down. Something happened. Oh, can you hear me now? Is that just something that came deaf? Yeah, go ahead. All right, sorry about that. No, I was I was just getting all serious and my voice lowered to emphasize the mood. No, what I wanted to ask you was if there was anything that we didn't speak about that you wanted to that you wanted to bring up. The importance of having gratitude in our lives, no matter how bad things are, believe me, you don't have to look very far to see somebody whose life is worse than yours. So I'm at I really believe in gratitude and the power of gratitude and letting people know on a daily basis how grateful you are for your life because gratitude manifests gratitude. That would be the one. Good lesson. Good lesson. Okay, so quick question, you've built a career outside before social media and now you've sort of migrated to social media. So if somebody is looking to build their own persona on social, build their brand, what would be some advice that you could give someone? You know, I'm not really that honestly the best person to ask for advice about that. You know, my advice would be find somebody who really knows how to do it and have them help you. That's what I've done. So when I needed to do that, I got people who knew what they were doing, including my son Trevor's up there in Toronto, helped me to develop the Instagram account for Spike the Wonder Dog. So that would be Spike underscore Wonder Dog on Instagram. We love we put we post of the thing that we put up there today, Scott. I'm almost like I'm going to see if I can pull this off. I'm going to see if I can show you what we posted today. It's made there's maybe if I can find it on my phone hold on just a second. You want to see if I can find it here. All right, now look, I'm going to try to hold this up and see and start it. Oh, wait a minute. There's no sound. There's no sound. Stop. Stop. Stop. Here we go. Oh, I'm just going to get enormous amount of time in the water. This is our boarding boat. The heat has the pandemic because scientists have said my risk can't swim. I also know in summertime folks like to read. And that's why we created a special underwater version of my book, The Adventures of Spike the Wonder Dog. Where's the book? Oh, here it is. This is available wherever fine books and water proof objects are available. So have you saw it? And have you reading? I love it. I got to have some fun with what you're doing. We just did that this morning by my beloved lady Jane, my girlfriend Jane, who was and took the cover photo and tells me to smile and she's there by my side. She shot that video. I love it. I'm with that. And I saw you smiling and it was a real smile. It wasn't one of those. No, it wasn't one of your ones else. What else is going on? Go ahead. A lot of two more quick questions, but you kind of already answered one, but I'll ask it again and see if there's anything else that comes out. One life lesson that you tell your younger self. Your health is your wealth. Everything, everything is pinion on that. Life can be going, right? Yeah, it's never been better. And that health goes away, right? And he was health has hope. He was hope has everything. Hope is a very powerful emotion, but my father said it countless times I was growing up. Your health is your wealth. No question about that. Good. And last last question, a resource could be a book podcast audible, not your own book, could be a person that you would go and suggest people learn from. A person, I would suggest people learn from. Okay, I'm going to suggest, I actually, I would suggest this man as a guest for your show. He's an acclaimed documentary filmmaker. His name is John before BIFAR. I will give you this contact information and on the show. And he has created a media platform called Peace Vision that he wants to spread around the world as residents of individual actions for peace. And he's done all manner of work of his life, all kinds of documentaries. But he is someone I think he's one of my closest friends and every time I'm with him, I learn something. So John, before I check out Peace Vision, that's free social media platform. Yeah, I have it right here. I'll I'll check it out, but yeah, more than more than happy to bring them on. It sounds like a really, really nice cause. Just reading about it now. 30 years 30. Oh, I see. Okay. So director of producer John Bifar is a founder and chief creative officer of Peace Vision. For over 30 years, John and the dream time entertainment network or team have produced a regional network television. What is it? Peace Vision is a manifestation of a lifelong dream of being able to use the medium of film and video at its highest level as a resource that gives us the tools to live our best life possible. So it's a whole it's a whole ecosystem of a video and I see. Wow, it's very nice. Yeah, we'll do a deep dive on this. Don't you think he'd be a good guest for your show? Yeah, I think he'd be. Yeah, he can also possibly put up a couple of videos. I was never aware how easy it was. Just to show that video like I just did, you know, in the camera, but he's really tripping. So, you know, I'm in no hurry to run away, but I was strongly suggest John Bifar as a guest. No, I appreciate the last the last thing that I wanted to to bring out because, you know, I want to get people to go to check out your website, your social, where do you get the book? What are all of what are all the places? Well, I'll take it. I'll take it a little slowly. Okay. By the way, Jane, my beloved Jane, you have to see a handsome this man. He's a really handsome guy. No, it's true. It just take a look and sleep. Okay, very handsome. I was younger. Oh, my. Oh, thanks. Well, okay, I'll take this slowly. Thank you. With Spike the Wonder Dog, the website, spikethewonderdog.com, okay? Spikethewonderdog.com. You can order the book there at spikethewonderdog.com. It's available anywhere, books are shown, Amazon, Barnes, and anywhere, books are sold. You can get the adventures in Spike the Wonder Dog. On Twitter, it's at spikewonderdog, right? On Twitter, I am at real billbugs. Okay, that's me on Twitter. On Instagram, spike is, I mentioned one before, spike underscore wonderdog on Instagram, spike underscore wonderdog. On Instagram, I am rat packer eight type in rat packer. You'll get billbugs. I think even type in my name, billbugs, then rat packer will come up. And I don't want Facebook, my Facebook page is obviously me. So I guess it's basically it, but the big one is the billbugs TV on YouTube, which has a we have about three million viewers so far. Actually, you have actually, you have 6.41 million views, so far. How many? 6.41 million. Geez. It doubled like in the last couple of months. You have 463 videos and 6.41 million views. Thank you. Thank you. I will keep I'll stay in touch. You can let me know about this in the future. I was unable to see that. I'll take a screenshot for you. My camera said I can't move it, but I'll show you. I can find it. That's great. Thank you. Yeah, no, it's doing, it's like a billbugs Netflix. Well, yeah, it is because what you have there on a billbugs TV, you have some historic views. I mean, there's interviews for like, for example, it's take some of the big stars of the 20th century, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Jr. Jerry Lewis, Miles Davis, Natalie Wood, just take those five, James Brown, Little Richard. There've been documentaries made about all these people and they've used parts parts of my interview. Not with James Brown. So there's historical stuff there. There's a debate between Roy Cohen and Gorbidah. There's crazy things that show, you know, not these stuff we were doing. But a lot of what I did in my career, Scott, was long form interviewing, which really has come back on social media now, but prior to the pandemic, who was going to interview anybody for 40 minutes, you know, and this didn't happen. So that's it. 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