Naveen Jain - Founder & CEO of Viome | How to Dream Bigger

Welcome to success story the most useful podcasts in the world. I'm your host, Scott D. Clary. The success story podcast is part of the Blue Wire podcast network as well as the HubSpot podcast network, which has other great podcasts like social light hosted by Steph Taylor. Social light discusses all things online marketing Steph Taylor answers all your business marketing questions. She deep dies into the nitty gritty of online marketing content marketing social media marketing marketing strategy for business owners. If any of these topics resonate with you, you're going to love the show. You'll learn things like how to scale your brand on various different social media platforms, some of the biggest mistakes you can make with your launch of a new product or service. The importance of nurturing and engaging your audience consistently. The importance of having your audience fully understand the problem you're trying to solve and why it's important to solve right now as well as why growing audiences across all social platforms feels so hard in 2022. You can go listen to social light wherever you get your podcasts or at the HubSpot podcast network at HubSpot.com slash podcast network. Today, my guest is Navine Jane. He is the CEO of Viom and Moon Express. He is also the author of moonshots creating a world of abundance, a bestselling book. He sees beyond the current technological landscape. He creates businesses that are innovating, disrupting is an understatement. He is the founder of Viom Moon Express. He's also the founder of World Innovation Institute and talent wise, intelligence and info space. He is an intensely curious entrepreneur. He's focused on audacious ideas that push humanity forward. Like I mentioned, he is the author of the award-winning book Moon Shots. He's the creator of Mind Valley Masterclass programs. He's behind X Prize, a global future positive movement and he's also on the board of Singularity University. He is a career entrepreneur. He's had multiple successes over his career. He knows no limits. He is propelled by his imagination and as an entrepreneur, his goal is to change is in a positive way as many lives as humanly possible. He pushes big dreams into action. He spurs massive cultural and technological change. His vision and personalities inspire millions globally. We spoke about some of his past experience as an entrepreneur, some of the things that he's done, but mostly we spoke about taking moonshots. How to build an incredible company, take a risk. His framework, his entrepreneurial framework that he uses to think of business ideas that can truly change humanity. He focuses on asking different questions, learning things in a different way, hiring the right people and it may seem simple, but listen to his story and listen to what he's doing with his two current active companies, Moon Express and Viome. Moon Express is focused on bringing humans to different galaxies. Viome is focused on improving the lives and Viome is a very active product that you can purchase right now. It's improving the lives because he looked at health and wellness differently and his goal with Viome will be to cure diseases at some point that are incurable. So he's really pushing the envelope when it comes to entrepreneurship and technology and innovation. So let's jump right into it. This is Naveen, Jane. He is best selling author and founder of Viome and Moon Express. Well, you know, every origin story that you hear is generally a rewrite of the real origin stories, right? It's really what happens. In our case, you know, we started about six and a half years ago and as I was finishing up a project around going to the moon and you always wonder that, you know, once you've done the moonshot, once you've done the moonshot, what do you do for an anchor? You do another moonshot, but this time let's do it symbolic moonshot that could actually fundamentally change the trajectory of how humanity is going to live on planet earth. And if you could find a way to do anything that improves the life of billions of people, you will find a you can create a massive enterprise out of it. And that's the fundamentally every entrepreneur should know the basic rules of the business are really simple. It doesn't matter what industry you are in. The first question you ask yourself is, am I building a service or a product that improves people's life? And the second question you ask is how many people's life? God forbid you are actually successful in doing exactly what you sat out to do. Would it help a billion people live a better life? And the reason is, it's not because you are philanthropist and you're saying, hey, I want to really focus on helping a billion people. You're simply saying, if any company that can help billion people live better, whatever in the way the better is, you can create a 500 billion dollar company. But you don't go wake up in the morning and say, hey, I want to create a 500 billion dollar company. What should I do? I mean, that's not how world works. So you stay focused on making your customers life better and everything else will fall in place. And you know, every go along and I'll tell you more about a framework that I have used in every company and I start. That is the fundamental framework that once you understand the power of that framework, you will always find that you can do anything you want, right? So any time I start a company, I ask myself three questions. Why this? Why now? Why me? Right? And why this, I think it has described you. First thing you ask yourself is whatever this is. If it is successful, would it actually change people's life? Would it improve people's life? Would it improve billions of people's lives? That tells you you have a massive market in front of you. Then you ask yours why now? And why now is the reason is number one predictor of your success in your industry is not how talented you are, how great a product you have. None of that. It's timing. That timing is the number one predictor of your success. I mean, you look at Facebook. It wasn't the first social network, right? That timing was perfect, right? So in fact, if you look before social, you know, obviously before Facebook, most people may not realize they used to be thing called my space. Before my space people did not know that he used to be called friends, right? It just timing wasn't there. The internet penetration wasn't there. Wasn't there. The mobile phones weren't there. And that literally the time you are just off. You look at, you know, any type of thing. Before Siri, they were tens of people who had voice recognition. The timing wasn't there. The technology wasn't quite up there. And I think the bandwidth wasn't there for you to be able to use them. So time is good. So how do you how do you perfect your timing is really simple. You ask yourself and say what had changed in the last one to two years. But more importantly, what do you expect to happen in the next three to five years that will allow you to scale your technology at a cheaper affordable place and more people can access it in three to five years using the technologies of tomorrow. Not technologies of yesterday. That means if this problem could have been solved half a decade ago using your technology, then you're barking up the long tree. That means are you actually intercepting the technologies as they are coming up. So you actually hit the knee of the curves and the technology is taking off. You're actually going with that. You just jumped into it. You just you're like out of the gate. Out of the gate. Okay. That's fine. Let's let's do it. This is this is good. Sorry. I didn't interrupt. I just keep going. This is like good framework. Very great. The first part is the most important part and I think every entrepreneur this is where they go wrong, which is why me and why me has two components to it. The first component is what questions are you asking that are different from what everyone else in the industry is asking because the questions you ask is the problem you solve. And let me give you two examples from two complete different industry. So you can see the framework has nothing to do with an industry. So if you look at the thing I was in the aerospace industry looking to say can we really create a multi planetary society living on the moon Mars and beyond. And people first of all say that's not going to happen. That's impossible. But let's set that aside. Even the believers of the things will say awesome. When you go to the moon, how are you going to grow the food on the moon? And that's it. Generally they believe the right question to ask. But imagine when you ask that question, the only solution to that question is to find a way to grow the food. What if you were to ask a slightly different question that says why do we eat food just by asking why do we eat food. You suddenly realize the only reason we eat food is for two things for energy and for nutrition. And then you ask yourself energy what plants get energy through our photosynthesis can we actually do get the energy through photosynthesis. And by the way, there are bacteria that are growing in the radioactive nuclear waste. And what does that mean that these the V as organisms have already found a way to protect their DNA against the radiation and use the radiation as a source of energy. Now imagine if we can take a genetic material from these bacteria, modify our genes using CRISPR and suddenly we are bacterial resistant and we can get energy from the bacteria energy from the radiation. That means now you can go out in the evening and say honey, do you want to go out for a walk and get some radiation rather than honey, do you want to go out for a pizza. And that's really the trick is simply asking a different question allows you to solve the problem in many different ways than ever possible and simply by asking that right now. As we go along, I will apply this framework to my latest company, why I'm but I'm going to stop right here and let you done with that. I just want to take a second to thank the sponsor of today's episode HubSpot. Now running your own business means uncertainty is everywhere. 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But when you ask questions like that when you ask questions that change the lens that we look at a problem through that's a scary concept for an entrepreneur and what I mean by that is when you're saying something to the point of well we can go through we can potentially change the way that we actually have to consume food. That for most people is not a problem that can be solved in a lifetime. So when you tackle a problem you aren't looking to solve a problem in the next 10 years you're looking to solve something that is truly moonshot. Now is that something in different context an entrepreneur should still think about something that can last outlast their lifetime. Remember just because you have a moonshot doesn't mean that you don't have the steps along the way that you actually have business around right. So the interesting thing about moonshots is you have a north star you have your point in direction where you want to go and then you say what are the steps that needs to be done along the way for this to happen and everything you go along the way actually creates a business. So it's not like a moonshot is a binary thing either you are in or you are out along the moonshots you develop tremendous amount of technologies that actually can be applied for to create businesses today. And now that we are here maybe I should actually explain my latest healthcare venture and a moonshot and exactly how we build that moonshot that created a business because that actually allows you to see that this is not some theoretical framework this actually works in real life right. So most people who may not know I started a healthcare company called while and as an Indian guy I cannot pronounce the word we so it's a vision Victor don't ask me why but that just why would you name a company that you cannot pronounce I just fell in love with the name. So we as you know is is life in French is life and oh makes a sign so it's really science of life survive so when I started on the fundamental belief was what if we can find a way to prevent and reverse all chronic diseases including cancer and agent. But diabetes heart disease you know you look at obesity you look at depression anxiety Alzheimer Parkinson's and you go on and on and including every cancer and aging because aging the psychologist see if you could prevent and reverse these chronic diseases the first question was would it help a billion people live a better life answer is 7.4 billion people check mark. Now you say why now while the now was we said okay in the law to solve this problem you have to be able to digitize the human body understand everything that's happening in the human body at a molecular level at a biochemical level everything that's going on in the human body. Well we say wow that's a tough problem in the last 10 years the cost of actually digitizing that you even a single sample used to be billion dollars came down to million dollars came down to a hundred thousand dollars and now it is six years ago was about twelve hundred dollars. We said that's too high but we looking at the price trend we know in the next three to five years that will be down to a hundred dollars and I think that's affordable. So we started the company believing that the technology will come down and price will come down to about a hundred dollars guess what happened it came down to about eighteen dollars. So while we thought we were ten times optimistic it turns out we were actually five times pessimistic and that's the power of exponential technology. The next thing was we said look even if we could digitize the human body we won't have access to super computers how are we going to process this massive amount of data that's coming in and we said look this cloud computing is really really starting to take off and we're going to start using this cloud computing and we launch our first thing and it cost us forty forty three dollars to process one single sample. We took a deep breath and said wow that's expensive but we knew that cost has already come down from five of the dollars to forty three dollars in the next three to five years it should come down to ten dollars guess what it came down to about about fifty. So literally as you start to see when you find these technology at a trend the last part was even if we process all the data would AI be powerful enough to be able to actually analyze all this data and tell you what's causing what to see. No one had argument about that was going to happen so we took that for granted and guess what everybody was right that we have the technology AI number. The last part was the most interesting part which is why me I am not a scientist I am not a doctor I'm going into this area and I don't understand anything about human health. But guess what that as opposed to being really worried that I don't know about it to me that was the biggest asset I brought to the industry was I wasn't going to take what experts have said taking it for granted. I'm going to challenge the foundation of everything that people have taken it for granted and once you do that you're able to look at the solution that no one has ever looked at. So there were two things we saw number one was everyone in the industry was focused on genetics your DNA they wanted to know if I could get your DNA that's so unique to you I will be able to tell you why you are developed why you have a certain disease. And being naive I see great asset you DNA never changes they say yes it never changes wow interestingly so if I do my DNA test today. Year later I get 400 pounds my DNA hadn't changed I get depression I'm I didn't change I get diabetes my DNA didn't change hard disease and then I get you know Alzheimer Parkinson's and I die even after I die 10 years after I die you take my DNA is still the same. So if the any can't even tell you your dad or alive how can it tell you that you're healthy or sick. So if you genes are not changing what he changing people say of course you know gene expression in changing the RNA is all the same holy shit let's go measure that and we never say how are we going to do that nobody has ever done that. It's a great so if we could measure the gene expression because then we know you're causing the onset of a disease or you're developing a disease how you're progressing let's measure gene expression so I asked great don't ask me how but if we could measure all the gene the gene expression on the human body would that solve the problem is not quite would be not quite I just saw the world hunger problem here. Well they are human body is not just homogeneous coming the DNA from our mom and dad 99% of all the genes that are expressed in our body actually are not our own they are the hundred trillion microbiome that's in our gut in our mouth in our nose in our ear all over our body hundred trillion of them in fact of all the genes that are expressed 99% actually coming from these microbiome. So I start seeing reading that in our I went back to my research and say all right obesity and microbiome obesity is connected to the microbiome what's interesting diabetes and microbiome and literally you can Google anything you want Parkinson's and microbiome Parkinson's starts in the gut 15 years before you see the symptom Alzheimer's microbiome cancer and microbiome and literally every disease is directly connected to microbiome. And at that point most people would say you're a government right I found it and that's the time you ask yourself and say you must be a complete moron if everyone believes that is the problem and their tens of companies doing the same thing why is this problem not getting solved then. Then you go back to the framework what questions are they asking in microbiome well it turns out everyone was asking exactly the same wrong question which was I want to know what organisms are in your gut I want to know what organisms are in the people's gut who have different diseases now don't laugh I have no idea what these organisms are in my mind I'm thinking these organisms like a tiny humans doing shit in my body. In that case wouldn't it be possible there could be thousands of different organisms doing exactly the same thing that's making me sick so I take two people with diabetes completely different organism yet producing exactly the same thing that's causing me a disease. So I think we need to focus on what they are doing not who they are because the same organism could do something good in Scott's gut because it's in right environment like friendly environment and the same organism can make me sick because my environment in the gut is fighting amongst each other right. Just like I thought human being you take a good person put them in a bad environment they do bad behavior you take a bad person put them in a good environment they do good behavior so let's focus on what they are doing not who they are and that was fundamentally this I ask and say what if we can find out what these microbiome is producing and we can find out every gene that's expressing the human body and then we look at the totality of that would that solve the problem everyone say if you could do that this problem can get solved great. So I went on a mission trying to find this technology that could do that kid you know I went to every single university and first my first stop was by the way NASA JPL I as you know I was coming from the space side up I knew these guys have tons of technology they developed and they're sending the Rovers to the Mars trying to find the them organism on the Mars they have to have solved this problem. So I go there at NASA JPL and I'm like talking to the director talking to scientists and they're saying we don't care we just need to find out if there is something there we don't really care what they're doing and I say you guys a bunch of morons I'm going to go to the NASA Houston they probably got this. And I get to touch all the moon rocks I get to play with all the cool stuff but it's still no technology so I now at NASA Kennedy Space Center no good. So I started going to the national labs our law and Berkeley law is never more and I'm like everyone I'm starting to get like people say yeah it's possible but we haven't done it. I am now at Los Alamos National Lab and by the way if you don't know Los Alamos National Lab is famous for come on Scott what with me. I don't know I don't know what I'm so enthralled by this story I have so many questions what is what is what is the what is the lab famous for I can't remember at all developing atomic bomb. Oh okay so I should know that that's that's my mistake okay that's my back okay so they they they have a little bit of technology there a little bit. So they basically even though it was called Manhattan Project it wasn't done in Manhattan it was done in Los Alamos. So anyway so these guys I was there and now I am like at the end of my road and I'm thinking God I don't know this problem is solvable or not but I'm going to throw out a challenge to all the scientists and say is there anyone out here. Let alone what these guys are doing can they at least tell me if these guys what is a bacteria what is a virus so that when you are sick you can find out you need antibiotics or not. Now these one guy so I have 12 scientists pitch me like a sharp tank and they all have the idea I can have a 3D microscope I can do this I can do that and one guy comes up and says you know that not only I can tell you what my what you whether it's a bacteria virus I can tell you exactly what they're producing I can even tell you whether antibiotics is going to work or not going to work. What I can tell you which antibiotics is going to work and I can tell you exactly what they are. And my first reaction was really so what project are you working on and the guy looks at me he said what's your security clearance level and then he says stop and he said it doesn't matter even if you told me you work at CIA I can tell you that you don't have a security clearance levels to stop asking me question. And what do you see when I can entrepreneur like bullshit. Yeah and like no tell me show me. Yeah bullshit I said totally fucking bullshit you mean this my security clearance level I think forget it I don't need to know what you're working on can you tell me how it works and it's of course I can tell you and he goes on to describe what they have done in the 10 years developing a technology to be able to analyze RNA and basically it is a bio defense project and I just all I know that is basically to protect our country against bio weapons right you could argue a lot of cynics out there and say protect they probably were developing by but not by far not going to get here but let's just assume they're protecting our country from bad bad actors and if they're protecting our country from bad actors what problem they have to solve which is hey if there was a terror we don't care what all millions of there we need to know what they just produce so we can build the antidote for it right so they needed to solve the problem that I was trying to solve and they literally so it took me six months to actually license the technology and hired the guy who was working on it got him out of his federal job and he's my chief science officer right and then he said right and then I said God I now we have the technology to analyze this I need the AI guy so what do I do I hire the guy the head of IBM Watson to quit his job bring his whole team to go to the AI for me and that's literally so what we started why so what point I was trying to make was we ask a slightly different question and that's what allowed us to solve the problem that had remained unsolved. And the last part of why me is really important and I think just from the perspective of any business you start Scott it is going to have ups and downs and I think you probably know every entrepreneur who tells you they don't have ups and downs are either lying or they just don't know what the fuck it going on in their business every business goes through in fact almost every successful business has gone through what I would call near death experience Facebook oracle Apple I mean literally Apple Amazon everyone went through the near death experience every one of these businesses Apple was almost a dead company Microsoft save them now that I mean every one of these companies go through near death experience in fact what I you know I don't know if you ever follow me I always tell people life of an entrepreneur is being alive how do you know your life you have heartbeat it goes up and down up and down when you are when you have a smooth line you're dead so if you're looking to live a life which is smooth you're looking to live a life of a dead person you're not looking to live life and the beauty of the thing is when you are down all you have to do is hunker down and know the next beat is going to be up and when you're on the top of that beat never get too cocky because remember the winter is coming and winter shall come I just want to take a second and thank the sponsor of today's episode Nord VPN now if you've ever missed out on your favorite shows because it's not available in your country or if you're trying to keep your private time private you don't want people spying on what you're doing well let me introduce you to Nord VPN if you're board of US Netflix why not take a spin in the UK use Nord VPN click of a button you can do just that you want to watch your favorite anime you don't have to travel to Japan Nord VPN brings it right to you with 5,000 plus server options no show is out of reach and of course we all love to binge TV and Netflix but privacy is a big deal too Nord VPN keeps your information encrypted so you never have to worry about your IP or location getting out they've also double down on keeping you safe with their new threat protection feature say goodbye to intrusive web ads and malware even if you download an infected file threat protection kicks in and deletes it before it makes the mess of your computer don't forget if you're trying Nord VPN there is literally no risk to you they have a 30-day money back guarantee give it a try if you like it great if you don't unless you are refund you can pretend it never happened they gave a special discount for success story podcast listeners they gave a special offer so go to my link at Nord VPN dot com slash success story to get your subscription started today one thing that I thought was interesting you the the why you is such an important important point of this formula and I and I want to highlight something the why you for you was not because you had the experience it was not because you worked in this industry or this field for X amount of years the why you was actually just somebody who was motivated enough to do it and to ask the right questions and the right things I mean Scott just another part to look at the people ask me how do I find my two calling and I realize that it's really easy when you wake up in the morning and you don't jump out of the bed you should quit what you're doing because that's not your calling because when you really find your calling you become so obsessed that you go to sleep thinking about it you jump out of the bed in the morning wanting to do it right and that's when you get that you will find yourself to be in their zone that nothing can stop you from actually solving that problem when you're an entrepreneur that focuses on coming up with solutions to problems that people didn't even know they have how do you look at building the business differently than somebody that does have a huge market then they're just trying to be another part of that market because I don't think people know like I don't know if you want to go into to to moon express and moon shots that's that's another business that nobody has an idea that that's even an option same with vile right so go go ahead. Yes, I think it's got a very good question because people always wonder that I am a small business how am I going to create a new industry a new business in the way to look at this stuff is not you're not creating a new industry a new business you're morphing you're actually allowing people to look at the problem in a very different way so when so let's go look at viability so when people get sick today they believe they have no choice what do they say oh my god really bad luck oh sorry you developed a cancer bad luck they never say oh it may be the matter of bad choices you made not the bad luck and my thought was what if we can reframe that scene by the way so here is just to tell you how crazy we were imagine living in a world where illness is optional and people honestly when we came up with the tagline people looked at me saying are you telling me it is my fault that I am sick do I want to be sick and answer is yes I says because what you put into your body is your choice it's not somebody shoved it down your throat so food we eat the air we breathe the things we do are our lifestyle is our choice everybody by the way agrees that you know being healthy is a choice your heart nobody ever argues with you he said is being healthier choice people say of course being healthy is a choice you make you work out every day you do yoga you do meditation you eat right and that's a choice and I say being healthy the choice don't you think being sick is a choice and my point is to make was that simply changing the perception of what we did we say how about this I am going to show you what is happening inside your body so we have this at home get right so you get this get at home and you send us your sample so in this case you touch of a stool few drops of your blood and very soon a spit of your saliva and when you send it to us what do you get back in turn we show you the rushes inside your body what's happening in your body that if you turn the body inside out what you will see we tell you your biological age hey it doesn't matter how old you are let me tell you how old your body feels you are right so I am by the way 62 my biological age has now come down by 9 years and 53 biological so now imagine so people talk about reverse aging as if I become a baby no but I have the energy of 53 and my hope is when I turn 70 my biological age come down to 40 so it doesn't mean I am not 70 I'm still 70 but my energy that my physical body is performing at the level of being 40 right then we give you your immune health how well are you protected if you were to catch cold or a flu is your body ready to fight is your immune system at its prime or is the immune system not working or it's too much inflammation going on in your body then we give you your gut health your cellular health your mitochondrial health all the 400 insights into your body and the people say I don't get that I don't even know what the hell mitochondria is tell me if it's not good what should I do good question and then we literally tell you don't eat broccoli because we saw that your sulfide production in your gut is high which is causing inflammation in your body and sulfide is being produced because it needs sulfate so don't take foods that are high in sulfate which are what broccoli cabbage brussels is proud which looks really healthy but for you they are actually harming you we saw that your oxalate pathway is not very active so don't eat food high in oxalate which are spinach so even the papaya told you spinach is good for everyone papaya was not a scientist don't eat spinach it's not good for you same thing people you know we look at the ammonia production so oh my god you got a lot of ammonia being produced causing a lot of inflammation it's coming from fermenting the protein by these organisms that means you're eating about a protein which is not being digested you have two choice cut down the protein or take digestive enzymes with that protein and then we say hey by the way hope you're not taking vitamin B3 right now because your uric acid production is too high because it's harming you and if your bio acid production is too high don't take curcumin or turmeric which everyone tells you it's good for you not good for you right now and by the way you probably heard if you want to live long take NAD or NR or NMN you know all these things you know guess what don't do that because your cellular sense is too high and your very high inflammation don't take NAD but you do need 22 milligram of elderberry every day you need 27 milligram of purple in every day you need 79 milligram of amlase every day and all these vitamin mineral herbs amino acid digestive enzymes you need them every day these are the probiotics new every day these are prebiotics you need them and guess what if you want we actually make those custom capsules with only those ingredients in that dosage for you every month and as you retest and we say oh you know I'm not going to burberry anymore you don't need the elderberry anymore now you need chakabli and you need this and we literally adjust your things every month custom made robotically so there is no pre-made capsule ever everything is custom made for you and guess what happens when you do that people say well how do we know it works so we actually did a clinical study and we published it that people who follow our stuff for just for four months their depression score came down by 36% clinical score anxiety clinical score down by 32% their diabetes came down by 30% measured by HBA1C their IVS you and I like stomachache in a constipation diarrhea 40% reduction in their IVS SSS score right and literally that then people say well how do we know it is the food that you recommended or the supplements you did great question so we actually did this study that sold what if people only followed food recommendation and the people who took food and supplement and we saw that people who follow food their scores improved but people who did food and supplement their scores improved much faster and more in the same time frame right so we know that this makes a difference incredible now what is the moonshot for volume so we're improving people's life so what is the moonshot is it your cancer is it increased life expectancy I'm super curious what this technology in this way of thinking in this this individualized life that you've set up for people can actually achieve or what you wanted to achieve well so they were you know so they were three parts of the puzzle right so one is able to prevent the disease from happening and we are not naive that not everyone is going to do a volume test and by the time they come to us they already have a disease so can we diagnose them at the earliest possible time while the disease is still curable can we diagnose them already so here the next thing we did we actually were able to detect stage one not later stage one oral cancer stage one throat cancer just from your saliva with 98% specificity and 93% sensitivity that means when we tell you you have a cancer you have 93% certain you have a cancer when I tell you don't have a cancer the 98% you don't have a cancer right by the way unlike other cancer tests that are in the market like grail 45% sensitivity that means when they tell you you don't have a cancer these 55% chance you actually do right and their sensitivity is so poor we got FDA to give us a breakthrough device designation that tells you FDA breakthrough device designation means this technology is so far superior to anything in the marketplace it is going to change lives and this technology is actually now ready and you can continue to start to look at and develop it so you can people can use it in the future and they work with you to get their approval to you now we're launching a cancer detect test by the way in the next two months where you can go actually at home spit in a tube you stand it to us and we'll send you a report that say do you have a oral cancer throat cancer and we're now extending it to pancreatic cancer, viral cancer, breast cancer, head neck shoulder cancer, GI cancer, gyneological cancer so we're going to literally have all these things including things like diagnosing your diabetes, your heart disease, your obesity you know that are the internal signals that are starting to show that you're going to develop, you're starting to develop these disease right the last part was what if we cannot diagnose them early enough is there it can be come up with a cure for the disease that are always have remained uncurable so if you have an autoimmune disease you go to a doctor they never say oh let me find out what's causing autoimmune disease what they say let me give you immune suppression so you don't have the symptom but doesn't mean you don't have autoimmune disease we keep suppressing the immune system and when you suppress the immune system what happens you get sick from some other things because your immune system is no longer working right so we actually found what was doing it what was causing this autoimmune disease that attacks your joints called ankylosing spenderitis we went to GSK and now they agreed to develop a vaccine against using our technology we get the royalty now we same thing we saw on the colorectal cancer we went back to GSK and they licensed that and now they're developing a therapeutics against colorectal cancer to prevent it and to actually stop the progression of their cancer just because we have now so much data we have analyzed over 300,000 people already that is allowing us to actually have all these data that's you know allowing us to prevent it if you not already diagnosed it and then actually coming up in the drugs we now have drug targets for things that are not curable today which is IBS, IBD, oral cancer, throat cancer colorectal cancer on aging and we're going to come back and talk about that a little bit more does all the kind of things we have focused on so our moonshot is really simple at the end of the day somebody asked me that in 10 years 20 years where do you see Y on B and I said my ideally if my diagnostic business is completely shut down and my therapeutic business has no business I succeeded because then I am able to prevent everybody from getting sick and that is the ultimate goal but that so that's something so I think that that would be an incredible moonshot in 10 years but realistically there's always going to be new things that are going to pop up and also there's it'll be unlimited opportunity you mentioned one point about aging so what is the what is the scientific reasoning for aging and how are you tackling that? Yes so what we are seeing actually we published the paper that's coming up in south and by the way our paper on the oral cancer and throat cancer came up in nature own magazine that's published in the nature so you can go check it out but on the aging thing what we found was we analyzed as I said over 300,000 people and we looked at what was going on in their body as people age and that's actually this is how we calculate the biological age so we now have people who are 18 years old 19 years old 20 years old and every single age when you come along with Scott and we said now we look at all your biomarkers and say are your biomarkers similar to the person who is 32 years old similar to the person who is 62 years old or person who is 19 years old or person who is and then literally we say this is what your biological age looks like based on all this massive amount of data right? We saw the number one thing that's the actually causes aging is inflammation in the body so when your body has inflammation what happens is all of your organs are at that point a sub function and then as the inflammation continues to have a chronically a chronic inflammation you start to actually develop lot of these what we call age related diseases and if you can suppress the inflammation so the number one thing deep of Chopra and other people have also said the chronic diseases the root cause of all chronic disease is chronic inflammation and the chronic inflammation comes from many things the food we eat the stress we cause right? because it's literally the bidirectional gut and brain are connected so when you are stressed it releases glucocorticoid that changes the gut microbiome that in fact is now we can show that in many cases your glucocorticoid is converted by microbiome into testosterone locally that could cause a lesion or a cancer so when I saw that research about a month and a half ago my scientist was explaining it to me only thing I could remember was glucocorticoid I'm thinking that comes from stress my mom was right she used to always tell me when I was young don't stress is stress causes cancer it's like I have never understood why she said that now we have approved actually this stress causes cancer I just want to take a second and thank the sponsor of today's episode Manscapes now you too can join 6 million men who trust Manscapes by going to Manscapes.com today for 20% off and free shipping with the code 20 success for all success story podcast listeners and whether you're brand new or you're already with the Manscapes team you could use a crown jewel of care for your family jewels the platinum package 4.0 now with this package you can align your entire high-dune routine all in one swoop and inside the 10-part platinum package is everything you know about the performance package plus some shower goodies included to elevate your grooming game so you've got the lawnmower 4.0 body trimmer and the weed whack or nose and ear hair trimmer they have advanced proprietary skin-safe technology in addition to shaving you can now completely upgrade your shower routine with the ultra premium body wash and ultra premium 2-in-1 shampoo and conditioner you'll have your skin feeling hydrated and smelling fresh and also don't forget to apply their aluminum free ultra premium deodorant and don't worry it's not pumpkin spice it's a cologne quality fragrance now Manscapes even threw in two free gifts to their platinum package 4.0 the Manscapes boxers and the shed travel bag now to get this package and more go to Manscapes.com and get 20% off and free shipping with the code 20 success that's 20% off with free shipping and Manscapes.com when you use the code 20 success and that's so that if you tackle that inflammation and that inflammation also curious to your opinion on this obviously Viome is not like a lifestyle and stress management company it's not your main focus what percentage of aging can be combated just from your gut biome and all the other items that impact stress versus your environment do you feel you can do a good enough job just with the... so nutrition is the key because the reason is even if the things are you know so if you don't have if you have a poor nutrition it doesn't matter you could meditate you could do everything your poor nutrition there is nothing you can do so you got to get the nutrition right so that you reduce the gut inflammation you reduce the underlying fire and once you have done that now your job is to prevent to keep lighting up that fire right so once you get the nutrition right then you want to make sure you're not constantly putting a match onto that which is reduce the stress that means doing things that are calm making sure that you are in fact you know meditating right so just really finding calm stress even when you're eating it's really interesting when your body is actually in a you know flight mode what happens? Fight or flight mode it stops the digestion completely I mean that's literally what happens think about you running up from a tiger do you think body cares at that point the digest the food you're going to become food for someone else right? so it basically shuts down all the non-essential activity including digestion so when you are stressed at you know come home and you stress from work and you start eating and putting the thing in your mouth guess what? Your body cannot digest that food that's the reason what do people do? they do gratitude they calm down they take a deep breath and put themselves back into the parasympathetic mode instead of sympathetic mode then you're able to digest and that's the reason the idea of this gratitude came about was to be able to actually come back and jump so thankful for and that puts the body into the parasympathetic mode or taking a deep breath before you eating and calm down and then you start eating right? And these were all these practices that came about was so the body is able to digest the food once you have done that you know so there are four things that are absolutely necessary for you to live healthy live long which is absolutely the best nutrition for you and there is no such thing as universal healthy food or no universal healthy supplements so don't think about it specifically you very specific to you so first you get the nutrition right then make sure you manage their stress number three exercise exercise at any age actually improves your gut microbiome and it obviously puts a muscles in your body that does all the good thing number four sleep sleep is essential if you if humans could evolve to live without sleep that gene pool would have been the one that won that gene pool did not win the reason is that you don't get enough sleep you can't actually fight against a tiger you can't run away from a tiger so that gene pool got wiped out that did not sleep and the only gene pool that survived was a gene pool was able to actually get a good sleep and so those are the four maggots tool for you to live long and they were healthy amazing amazing thank you thank you okay so an honest question how much time do you have? because I do want to talk about moon express but I also want to be respectful I have honestly got to have a hard stop at 10 so I need a five minutes to get a biological break so 10 minutes for you okay so let's do I just want to talk about the premise of moon express because we're not going to get into all the details and then I'm going to do a couple rapid fire questions and get all of your your content so I just love moon express because I know singularity university I know x prize and all those all those institutions are focused on like thinking differently again the old premise that you're asking the right question so moon express you're looking at and maybe explain your words but from what I understand you're looking at not necessarily sending people and helping people live other places but we're looking at maybe using resources correct and then using that to improve the lives of people on earth so is that so walk me walk me through a moon express is because I want to understand why you decided to do this out of all the potential exponential businesses industries companies you could have started so remember we all 7.4 billion of us are living on a single spacecraft in this spacecraft called planet Earth and it's flying by the way it's flying at a massive speed on the space if our spacecraft get hit by one asteroid our whole species is going to get wiped out right similar to what happened to dinosaurs so we all say oh I'm really worried about our planet I always tell them worry about the human species don't worry about the planet planet it's just fine right if we get hit by asteroid dinosaurs are much bigger species they couldn't survive the human species is going to get completely wiped out when dinosaurs died what happened the planet actually went on and it created humans when humans walk go away it probably will continue and create superhuman with our know and point I'm going to make is that if we care about our species we need to be able to distribute our species into multiple planets not just even within our solar system so going from earth to the moon the reason is the moon is a good stepping stone once you learn to live away from the planet Earth all the technologies you can develop or should be able to do in the moon while we're still close to the planet Earth so if you're going to get stuck it's better to be a lunatic on moon than to be a Martian six months away but once you develop the technology on the moon you don't want to just go to the Mars you actually want to go even out of our solar system because one day our sun is going to implore whether we like it or not sun is going to go away you want to be in a different solar system then guess what? you don't want to be in our galaxy you want to go into different galaxies so you're completely distributed and someday you may want to go to different universe in the multiverse so you're completely distributed you're able to receive the planet when you need to if there is any destruction of any planet so that is a long term goal is to create a multi-planetary society as you were asking in the meantime we thought while we were doing it could we bring the resources back and use them on Earth while we're building that long-term business so that was our initial thing is to say hey can we bring helium 3 that can be used for fusion energy can we bring other resources while we do that to build the long-term business of surviving outside planet Earth incredible okay so I think that we'll do a 2.0 people can go research moon express because everything you've done with X Prize in Singularity University is a whole other conversation and it's all incredible let's do okay so let's do this let's first where can people reach out to you at the website so what's where do they go they can go to navingian.com that's my website and you can always send me an email through that you can also follow me on LinkedIn you can follow me on Instagram and I always answer all my emails all my messages so send me all the messages you want follow me on the social media go to navingian.com send me an email from there amazing okay let's do a couple rapid fire biggest challenge that you've had to overcome in your own personal life what was that? how did you overcome it? well I think the biggest challenge we all face is really our mindset when you start to feel there is a competition and there is a finite things in the world when you feel scarcity is what driving you that's when you feel once you create this mindset of abundance then everything starts to feel good because you know your competition is inside you not outside that means you need to be better every day and if you keep doing it and the second challenge really that most people face is not having a mindset of intellectual curiosity the minute you develop the mindset of intellectual curiosity you always, in fact, constantly learning the day you stop learning is the day you die amazing a person who has been incredibly impactful in your life there's obviously been many but who picked one who was that and how did they had they impact you? but I would tell you that you know life is the biggest mentor you can have life never stops teaching it's you stop learning so to me every movement in your life is a movement to learn every interaction you have is your mentor right there you can learn from every person whether they are homeless or they are billionaires you can learn something from everyone so approach every interaction with the intellectual curiosity to learn every time I'm sitting next to someone I don't care whether they are a musician or I don't care the photographer I learn some tricks from them that I would never thought I would that's a good good advice if you could tell your 20-year-old self one thing what would it be? never look at what is gone wrong or something to change it doesn't matter what happens look at that event as that was meant to happen and know that things that look good or bad right now a decade from now the thing that look bad may actually turn out to be the best so just always know universe is your friend and there is no absolute good or bad because in everything that's bad today may actually turn to be a goodness tomorrow because you learn a lot from that and then last question what is success mean to you? success is actually that's really simple it's not about the amount of money you have in the bank it is about the number of life you prove along the way is your success and humility is a sign of success so when you become humble you have been successful if you have Iota arrogance left in you that means you're still trying to prove something to yourself or someone else and that's not success you